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IvanK · 05-21-2002, 12:53 PM

Most politicians to be sure.

The Other Michael · 05-21-2002, 01:06 PM

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If you only respected or admired people who were sexually pure and never broke any rules, you would be cutting yourself off from most of humanity.

But you'd still have Douglas and Fast Falcon to associate with.

cheers,
Michael

Hedwig · 05-21-2002, 02:14 PM

I want to add Sister Helen Prejean to the list. She's the author of Dead Man Walking and is on the forefront of the death penalty abolitionist movement and she also works hard to support and console the families of the victims of violent crimes. I've met her and she's a very kind woman.

Edited to add: No I don't have a one track mind...she's just the first theist who came to mind and others beat me to Martin Luther King Jr.

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bonduca · 05-21-2002, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by IvanK:
I'd have to dissent from MLK jr though. Excellent speaker who accomplished a great deal in the civil rights arena, it's true; but it's hard for me to admire a plagiarist and philanderer.

I admire him for his accomplishments and his bravery, whatever his personal flaws. My ex was a philanderer and a crook. As far as I can tell, his greatest accomplishment is having not been murdered. Big difference there, wouldn't you say?

cricket · 05-21-2002, 02:34 PM

Jimmy Carter.

KnightWhoSaysNi · 05-21-2002, 02:41 PM

Oh, I must not forget Kenneth Miller! He's a biologist, Roman Catholic, and the probably the best critic of people like Behe, Johnson, and others from the ID movement. I hope to read his book "Finding Darwin's God" this summer.

britinusa · 05-21-2002, 02:50 PM

My wife.
She's a Presbyterian deacon, but I've never held it against her

MarkW · 05-21-2002, 03:09 PM

I'll add my second to Martin Luther King, Jr., and would also mention some of the other clergymen involved in the civil rights movement, like Fred Shuttlesworth.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer is another who comes to mind, not only for his anti-Nazi activities but his challenging theological writings.

Among theists who are publicly active today, I admire Barry Lynn of Americans United and other clergymen who work to maintain the wall of separation.

NOGO · 05-21-2002, 03:20 PM

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Spong
6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.

The cross always symbolized barbaric human sacrifice to me. What many people don`t know is the NT explains the idea that blood is required in order for Yahweh to forgive sin.

I had a baptist telling me that abortion is an abomination to God. He quoted a passage in the bible where people sacrificed their sons to Baal.

I showed him the part where Yahweh asked Abraham to sacrifice his son and asked why? If it is an abomination then why even ask?

Then I told him that the cross was Yahweh sacrificing HIS son to himself.

He protested that this was in fact Jesus` choice.
I replied ... nonsense, He planned it from the begining.

Sorry for being off-topic.

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Marduk · 05-21-2002, 03:48 PM

I'll toss in the Dali Lama and second your MLK Jr. as well as Ghandi & Spong. Lao Tsu as well and the Buddha, if they were really historical people anyway.
The Rabbi David Wolpe I see on TV alot, seems OK, but he glosses over too much disturbing stuff from Exodus.
<blush> when I was young I was fond enough of Herbert W. Armstrong to read his entire book.

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Hedwig Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,921	I want to add Sister Helen Prejean to the list. She's the author of Dead Man Walking and is on the forefront of the death penalty abolitionist movement and she also works hard to support and console the families of the victims of violent crimes. I've met her and she's a very kind woman. Edited to add: No I don't have a one track mind...she's just the first theist who came to mind and others beat me to Martin Luther King Jr. [ May 21, 2002: Message edited by: Hedwig ] [ May 21, 2002: Message edited by: Hedwig ]</p>

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Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	I'll toss in the Dali Lama and second your MLK Jr. as well as Ghandi & Spong. Lao Tsu as well and the Buddha, if they were really historical people anyway. The Rabbi David Wolpe I see on TV alot, seems OK, but he glosses over too much disturbing stuff from Exodus. <blush> when I was young I was fond enough of Herbert W. Armstrong to read his entire book. [ May 21, 2002: Message edited by: marduck ]</p>

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IvanK Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 2,016	Most politicians to be sure.

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KnightWhoSaysNi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 2,767	Oh, I must not forget Kenneth Miller! He's a biologist, Roman Catholic, and the probably the best critic of people like Behe, Johnson, and others from the ID movement. I hope to read his book "Finding Darwin's God" this summer.

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britinusa Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: State College, PA Posts: 283	My wife. She's a Presbyterian deacon, but I've never held it against her

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MarkW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,733	I'll add my second to Martin Luther King, Jr., and would also mention some of the other clergymen involved in the civil rights movement, like Fred Shuttlesworth. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is another who comes to mind, not only for his anti-Nazi activities but his challenging theological writings. Among theists who are publicly active today, I admire Barry Lynn of Americans United and other clergymen who work to maintain the wall of separation.

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