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10-16-2002, 01:39 AM

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Pope John Paul II will release an apostolic letter on devotion to the Virgin Mary on October 16-- the anniversary of his election to the pontificate-- according to informed Vatican sources.

Leaks from the Vatican, in anticipation of the document's release, suggest that the Pope will introduce five new mysteries to the Rosary. The five new mysteries, the "luminous mysteries," will focus on the public life of Jesus Christ, Vatican sources say. They will be: the Baptism in the Jordan, the temptation in the desert, the proclamation of the Kingdom, the Transfigurations, and the entry into Jerusalem.

<a href="http://www.diocesereport.com/the_record/2002_10_13_archive.shtml#85560055" target="_blank">Article</a>

abe smith · 10-16-2002, 06:17 AM

Yeh: it's the most *meaningless*/inoffensive-to-everybody gesture he can make to commemorate his however-many-years-it-is he's been in office; and to show-off his POWER as the CEO of that fiction, "the Church"; and of course it will be good for the knick-knack industry all of which can print, advertise & sell new Rosary instruction booklets; and new images/pictures of that faggy guy >>>> Their Lord, I mean. Have you been to a catholic funeral recently? I think I'll start a collection of those prayercard pictures. They're something-else. If I knew how to insert holy pictures here on line, I'd start a thread of them for you-all's edification...

Veil of Fire · 10-16-2002, 07:01 AM

What will people who still have the old rosaries do?

It's a scam to sell more rosaries!!

Tom Sawyer · 10-16-2002, 07:09 AM

If the Pope wants to make a major announcement, he should come out with something like:

"OK, we were just kidding about that whole Jewish-carpenter-being-a-god thing. It was a fraternity prank by a couple of guys back in Nazareth that just kind of took off. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with it, but they really didn't think that anyone would take them so seriously. I mean have you actually read the story they were telling? It doesn't make a lick of sense."

That's an announcement I'd listen to. This whole "new mysteries" thing is just another load of crap to pile onto all the other "mysteries", the only mysterious thing about which is why anyone buys into it.

sakrilege · 10-16-2002, 08:24 AM

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<strong> ... introduce five new mysteries ... </strong>

The use of the word mysteries as a holy concept is a great way to keep people in the dark.

Walter_Mitty · 10-16-2002, 09:02 AM

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If the Pope wants to make a major announcement, he should come out with something like:

Or like:

"Upon retiring [can a Pope retire?] from office I will release all Vatican records (medical and otherwise) that prove beyond a reasonable doubt, all church approved miracles.

Intersting bit about "praying the Rosary" and <a href="http://www.catholicvocation.org.au/cv_gloriousmysteries.htm" target="_blank">Mysteries</a> here.

I would suggest one more Mystery:

"The Holy Contemplation of Father Pee-Pee Toucher."

Visualisation: Imagine the joy of having Jesus forgive all those pedophile priests, thus allowing them to still enter heaven.

Intention: That you ponder the irony behind sending any moral and just "non-Christian" to hell while you send Father Pee-Pee Toucher to heaven.

Connection: In a culture of death and despair, how badly we need to see an institution live up to the dogmatic moral standards that it professes.

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Bibliophile ]</p>

Grumpy · 10-16-2002, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Veil of Fire:
It's a scam to sell more rosaries!!

My thoughts exactly! At least Spielberg is demanding that Universal included both versions of E.T. in the DVD release, so folks won't have to buy it twice.

Yes, in my head, these are related.

10-16-2002, 03:32 PM

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"The Holy Contemplation of Father Pee-Pee Toucher."

Visualisation: Imagine the joy of having Jesus forgive all those pedophile priests, thus allowing them to still enter heaven.

Intention: That you ponder the irony behind sending any moral and just "non-Christian" to hell while you send Father Pee-Pee Toucher to heaven.

Connection: In a culture of death and despair, how badly we need to see an institution live up to the dogmatic moral standards that it professes.

daemon · 10-16-2002, 04:00 PM

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Veil of Fire: What will people who still have the old rosaries do?

It's a scam to sell more rosaries!!

Grumpy: My thoughts exactly! At least Spielberg is demanding that Universal included both versions of E.T. in the DVD release, so folks won't have to buy it twice.

Yes, in my head, these are related.

No, no, no, they won't be selling new rosaries because of this. There are five segments to the rosary, and you're supposed to contemplate one of the sets of mysteries as you say it. Rough theory is that it's so you can't think straight enough to realize how dumb the whole thing is...

All it means is more tedium for the Catholics... oh well!

Mike Rosoft · 10-17-2002, 03:25 AM

>Upon retiring [can a Pope retire?] from office I will release all Vatican records (medical and
>otherwise) that prove beyond a reasonable doubt, all church approved miracles.

But the Pope already did such a thing!

Mike Rosoft

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10-16-2002, 06:17 AM	#2
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	Yeh: it's the most meaningless/inoffensive-to-everybody gesture he can make to commemorate his however-many-years-it-is he's been in office; and to show-off his POWER as the CEO of that fiction, "the Church"; and of course it will be good for the knick-knack industry all of which can print, advertise & sell new Rosary instruction booklets; and new images/pictures of that faggy guy >>>> Their Lord, I mean. Have you been to a catholic funeral recently? I think I'll start a collection of those prayercard pictures. They're something-else. If I knew how to insert holy pictures here on line, I'd start a thread of them for you-all's edification...

10-16-2002, 07:01 AM	#3
Veil of Fire Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 451	What will people who still have the old rosaries do? It's a scam to sell more rosaries!!

10-16-2002, 07:09 AM	#4
Tom Sawyer Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto, eh Posts: 42,293	If the Pope wants to make a major announcement, he should come out with something like: "OK, we were just kidding about that whole Jewish-carpenter-being-a-god thing. It was a fraternity prank by a couple of guys back in Nazareth that just kind of took off. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with it, but they really didn't think that anyone would take them so seriously. I mean have you actually read the story they were telling? It doesn't make a lick of sense." That's an announcement I'd listen to. This whole "new mysteries" thing is just another load of crap to pile onto all the other "mysteries", the only mysterious thing about which is why anyone buys into it.

10-17-2002, 03:25 AM	#10
Mike Rosoft Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 965	>Upon retiring [can a Pope retire?] from office I will release all Vatican records (medical and >otherwise) that prove beyond a reasonable doubt, all church approved miracles. But the Pope already did such a thing! Mike Rosoft

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