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The Naked Mage · 01-01-2003, 12:10 AM

I've found it's "not at all", more often than not.

Dr Rick · 01-01-2003, 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by Sabine Grant
I mean take dear Amos who is a catholic and witch hunts anyone who appears to be from the protestant side.... ouch ouch.

Maybe it's a kindness on his part, Veronique; perhaps Amos is trying to save you and everyone he can from the eternal torment that many Catholics know awaits all of the Protestants, Mormans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Seventh-Day Adventists, Methodists, Baptists, Jews, Moslems, Buddists, Hindus, Taoists, Shintos, Atheists, Agnostics, and Deists for failing to believe exactly as they do?

Rick

Vorkosigan · 01-01-2003, 05:05 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AdamWho
Almost every catholic I know has either weird sexual hang-ups, drug/alcohol problems, or completely neurotic with guilts, shoulds, and should nots.

Most of South America, much of Europe, sundry other places.

Uh-huh.

AdamWho · 01-01-2003, 12:38 PM

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Oh come on Adam, you look at Catholics from a protestant perspective. Confession is to relieve guilt and built courage on the other side of guilt.

You do not know what �perspective� I view the Catholic Church from but it is definitely not protestant. I offer no explanation why guilt seems so prevalent in Catholic people (especially woman) only that it causes suffering. I measure all religions not by their ideals but rather what they do to average people.

Shake · 01-01-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by CALDONIA
Geez, an incoherent, idiotic cult like the Catholic religion cannot be all bad: at least they serve wine during Communion instead of grape juice!

As an ex-Lutheran, I remember that my former church served wine during Communion. And Lutherans are most definitely NOT Catholic!

I also credit my Lutheran upbringing for part of my dislike of the Catholic Church.

01-01-2003, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Dr Rick
Maybe it's a kindness on his part, Veronique; perhaps Amos is trying to save you and everyone he can from the eternal torment that many Catholics know awaits all of the Protestants,
Rick

Hell is religion specific and CAN become the final destination of Catholics but MUST be the final destination of those protestants who regard what we know to BE hell as their promise of eternal salvation.

sullster · 01-01-2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese
Really? I'd at least think Catholicism = pain, corruption, stupidity, unhealthiness, supression, oppression, hoaxes, etc.

Gemma Therese

Please don't stop, you are coming up with some more terms which are very good.

Debbie T · 01-01-2003, 03:53 PM

The Catholic church did give me something positive.

As some people know I was abused as a child. When I was a sophomore in high school my grades went from a 3.8 average to failing. I was running away from home experimenting with drugs and pretty much lost all hope. A social worker took me out of my home and had me placed in a Catholic boarding school for troubled girls.

It was the first time in my life I was living in a structured environment. Although I hated it the Sister that was in charge of the group of girls I was in was fair and treated us with respect. I didn't have to worry about being abused. I became a straight A student. I didn't appreciate Mother John until years later. But what she gave me was a gift. A gift of stability and unconditional love. She taught me instead of punished me and I wasn't abused for the first time in my life. When I made mistakes I never felt judged by her and she helped me learn how to pick myself up, learn from it and move on with life.

I went back home my senior year and 6 months later when I turned 18 I moved out, got a job and a place of my own and completed high school. Then went on to college and worked my way through school. Had there not been an intervention who knows what would have happened to me.

I disliked having to go to mass at first. When I learned how to play guitar they let me and other girls sing and play and then I enjoyed mass. I never became a Catholic but I am grateful for what they gave me.

The fun parts I remember was playing baseball, basketball and learning ballet and the guitar lessons. I had a great art teacher that really helped me realize the creative part of me that has spilled over into my adult life and I made a carreer out of photography.

So yes I can see the positive things the Catholic church has done for me, I am forever grateful for how the church helped me. Strange that I am getting tears in my eyes as I type this.

Gemma Therese · 01-01-2003, 03:58 PM

Debbie -

That was very moving. Thank you for sharing that.

Gemma Therese

Amie · 01-01-2003, 06:07 PM

I agree with Gemma, that was nice to read...

It is unfortunate that more don't have positive experiences with the catholic church...

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01-01-2003, 12:10 AM	#71
The Naked Mage Veteran Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Execution State, USA Posts: 5,031	I've found it's "not at all", more often than not.

01-01-2003, 05:05 AM	#73
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	[QUOTE]Originally posted by AdamWho Almost every catholic I know has either weird sexual hang-ups, drug/alcohol problems, or completely neurotic with guilts, shoulds, and should nots. Most of South America, much of Europe, sundry other places. Uh-huh.

01-01-2003, 03:53 PM	#78
Debbie T Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Washington the state Posts: 406	The Catholic church did give me something positive. As some people know I was abused as a child. When I was a sophomore in high school my grades went from a 3.8 average to failing. I was running away from home experimenting with drugs and pretty much lost all hope. A social worker took me out of my home and had me placed in a Catholic boarding school for troubled girls. It was the first time in my life I was living in a structured environment. Although I hated it the Sister that was in charge of the group of girls I was in was fair and treated us with respect. I didn't have to worry about being abused. I became a straight A student. I didn't appreciate Mother John until years later. But what she gave me was a gift. A gift of stability and unconditional love. She taught me instead of punished me and I wasn't abused for the first time in my life. When I made mistakes I never felt judged by her and she helped me learn how to pick myself up, learn from it and move on with life. I went back home my senior year and 6 months later when I turned 18 I moved out, got a job and a place of my own and completed high school. Then went on to college and worked my way through school. Had there not been an intervention who knows what would have happened to me. I disliked having to go to mass at first. When I learned how to play guitar they let me and other girls sing and play and then I enjoyed mass. I never became a Catholic but I am grateful for what they gave me. The fun parts I remember was playing baseball, basketball and learning ballet and the guitar lessons. I had a great art teacher that really helped me realize the creative part of me that has spilled over into my adult life and I made a carreer out of photography. So yes I can see the positive things the Catholic church has done for me, I am forever grateful for how the church helped me. Strange that I am getting tears in my eyes as I type this.

01-01-2003, 03:58 PM	#79
Gemma Therese Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: new york Posts: 608	Debbie - That was very moving. Thank you for sharing that. Gemma Therese

01-01-2003, 06:07 PM	#80
Amie Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York Posts: 1,626	I agree with Gemma, that was nice to read... It is unfortunate that more don't have positive experiences with the catholic church...

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