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99Percent · 11-28-2002, 05:08 PM

Sourdough is correct.

P1: Theism is a belief.

P2: God doesn't believe in anything, he already knows everything since he is omniscient.

C1: Therefore God is an atheist.

Answerer · 11-29-2002, 02:00 AM

Well, I think you guys are just playing with words and definitions.

Zadok001 · 11-29-2002, 05:47 AM

We are just playing with definitions, but I'm having fun, so why stop?

99Percent, that's not right either. If Theism is simply a belief, ATHEISM IS THEISM! We *believe* there is no God. And that DEFINATELY can't be right.

Silent Acorns · 11-29-2002, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by sourdough:
supose there was god,he knows he exists,therefore has no need to believe and worship another god,
so he/she/it is an atheist.
what say you?

If we accept for a moment that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic omni-god actually exists, then it has to be an atheist.

Does YHWH believe in a higher power that created it?

Obviously, the answer is no. And so, YHWH has no theistic belief, and is an atheist in the strongest sense of the word.

Which leads me to ask a few more questions:

Does YHWH ever ask itself, "why do I exist, instead of nothing"?

Does YHWH ever wonder, "what is the purpose of my existence, if there is nothing outside of me ... why do I even bother"?

And, does it ever think, "if there is no power greater than me, where do I get my sense of morality from"?

Keith Russell · 11-29-2002, 10:41 AM

Greetings:

Atheism is not the belief that there are no superiour beings.

I believe that Einstein existed, and I believe that Arnold Schwarzeneggar exists. I believe in them, and they both are, in at least some ways, superiour to myself.

But, I am still an atheist.

Keith.

Tenpudo · 11-30-2002, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Fiach:
So if God is an Atheist he must believe that he himself doesn't exist. If he is actually thinking this problem over, then he is as crazy as a loon.

I don't see any contradictions with what we observe about the universe here... or for that matter, with what the Bible has to say!

[ November 30, 2002: Message edited by: Tenpudo ]

hinduwoman · 11-30-2002, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Agricola Senior:

Atheism is the absence of belief in any superior being. For God there is no superior being, therefore he must be an "atheist".
He/she/it would be an atheist in the same sense as I am.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Agricola Senior ]

Atheists believe there is nothing supernatural. Does God believe in the supernatural? Is he the whole of nature or is there something beyond him? If he believes the latter then he is a theist.

John Page · 11-30-2002, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by hinduwoman:
Atheists believe there is nothing supernatural.

But if god exists then god can be defined as part of the natural world. Maybe the question should be "What kind of god does god believe exists?"

Cheers, John

Keith Russell · 11-30-2002, 07:45 PM

Greetings:

Also, if 'God' exists, and is omniscient, then 'God' is aware that 'God' is 'God'.

Thus, 'God' could not be both omniscient, and atheist.

That would be impossible. (Thus, such a 'God' could not be omnipotent...)

Keith.

doodad · 12-02-2002, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Agricola Senior:

Atheism is the absence of belief in any superior being. For God there is no superior being, therefore he must be an "atheist".
He/she/it would be an atheist in the same sense as I am.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Agricola Senior ]

Is atheism a mortal concept or a divine concept?

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11-28-2002, 05:08 PM	#11
99Percent Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: my mind Posts: 5,996	Sourdough is correct. P1: Theism is a belief. P2: God doesn't believe in anything, he already knows everything since he is omniscient. C1: Therefore God is an atheist.

11-29-2002, 02:00 AM	#12
Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Well, I think you guys are just playing with words and definitions.

11-29-2002, 05:47 AM	#13
Zadok001 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Steps Ahead Posts: 1,124	We are just playing with definitions, but I'm having fun, so why stop? 99Percent, that's not right either. If Theism is simply a belief, ATHEISM IS THEISM! We believe there is no God. And that DEFINATELY can't be right.

11-29-2002, 10:41 AM	#15
Keith Russell Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 1,336	Greetings: Atheism is not the belief that there are no superiour beings. I believe that Einstein existed, and I believe that Arnold Schwarzeneggar exists. I believe in them, and they both are, in at least some ways, superiour to myself. But, I am still an atheist. Keith.

11-30-2002, 07:45 PM	#19
Keith Russell Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 1,336	Greetings: Also, if 'God' exists, and is omniscient, then 'God' is aware that 'God' is 'God'. Thus, 'God' could not be both omniscient, and atheist. That would be impossible. (Thus, such a 'God' could not be omnipotent...) Keith.

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