Amos

Hi Sabine, of course evil is a necessity because it is needed to make goodness known. The real question is, how 'low' must we go before goodness can be/is known.

Virtue, as you well know, is a gift of God and can therefore not be learned (I think Plato got into this). It is an incarnate quality that must be contained yet must have been generated between our knowledge of good and evil, and/or was incarnate upon us from our forefathers (just as we will pay the price for their sins so will we reap the benefits of their goodness).

Take good care of your children because they are a reflection of your soul, ie. "the bird that builts its nest is hatched therein."

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Arvel Joffi

Vanderzyden said:

My blood pressure is going up.

John,

Please. Answer me this. How is threat of eternal torture and damnation even remotely related to "freely choosing" anything? Seriously. Hell, any Christian at all...for once...please satisfactorialy answer this damned question.

"Son, you can choose between saying, 'Happy Father's Day,' or me whipping you to within an inch of your life. The choice is yours."

"Screw you, Dad. Bring it on."

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