Baidarka

Magus 55
I have always been perplexed by Jewish converts to Christianity. They seem from my perspective like black people who join the KKK or perhaps the Mormons. Like Irish Catholic Orange men. Like Michael Jackson (painted white with a little Mickey Mouse nose).
Christianity may have been founded by Jews and some Christian texts seem to have started out as Jewish compositions but almost everything seems to have been overwritten to create some very real anti-semitic invective.
In the NT myth Jews kill Jesus and are, as a people guilty of Deicide. “May his blood be on us and on our children” is shouted by a demented Jewish chorus in the NT.
Jesus who sounds very much like Hillel, a revered Pharisee teacher, through out much of NT, is constantly cursing the Pharisees (when ever he’s not quoting them). The Pharisees were the founders of Rabbinic Judaism, so cursing them is deeply insulting to the Jewish people.
Super-secessionism is basic to Christian doctrine. This is the magical idea that the promise of the Jewish myth of Israel as God’s Chosen people has somehow been passed on to Christianity which considers it self the new Israel.
Even the name Judas seems to have been used as an arch villain in the NT myth for it’s anti-Jewish effect (see Hyam Maccoby ).
Now consider the liability of Christianity in the following abriviated list of crimes against our people.
1) The Crusades
2) The Blood Libels.
3) Pogroms
4) The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara (by David Kertzer)
5) Ghettos
6) Jews expelled from England
7) Jews expelled from Spain
8) The Inquisition (The Jews of Spain by Jane Gerber)
9) The Holocaust
Read the On the Jews and Their Lies (1543) By Martin Luther
Get a clue. Read. Think. Learn.
You are embracing the anti-semitic lies that have cost so many their lives.

7thangel

It's the people, back then. Not the people which Magus55 knew and respect now. We can belong to any good community, but it does not mean that when some people misbehave, the whole community should be punished.

You are just showing pure hatred. If you don't mind me asking, are you of Islam?

GarColga

Pardon me for butting in, but I don't see anything that displays 'hatred' in the OP. Christians have been killing Jews and generally making things miserable for them for close to two millennia. Is that supposed to be some kind of secret?

Spaz

He must've forgotten that when you show bad things christians did it's hatred. He must be one of those crazy muslims because they hate everybody, certainly a christian or jew or anything else could never show hatred, only a muslim.

Baidarka

7thangel

“It's the people, back then.”

Which people? Back when?

“Not the people which Magus55 knew and respect now.”

I never wrote that all Christians are evil. I never wrote that most Christians do not deserve respect

“We can belong to any good community, but it does not mean that when some people misbehave, the whole community should be punished.”

I wrote nothing of punishment. I did not say that Christian communities are not good.

”You are just showing pure hatred.”

Where did I write anything about hating anyone?

“ If you don't mind me asking, are you of Islam?”

I don’t mind and no I’m not of Islam.

If you object to something that I wrote please reread what I wrote carefully (from your last post I think that you missed much of what I wrote) and let me know what you disagree with.

There is a Zen Kone that says that a beautiful naked women who delights the eyes of men only serves to scare the fish when she jumps into the water.
This is a very interesting lesson.
Think of the ways and the reasons why things that seem wonderful to you may seem horrible to others.

7thangel

My apology, it must be a misjudgment. I just can't figure the good reason of the need of mentioning such Histories.:banghead:

BTW, I may even misrepresented Maguss. He may even have an evil reason behind believing Christianity. Oh, well...

Baidarka

7thangel

“ My apology, it must be a misjudgment. I just can't figure the good reason of the need of mentioning such Histories. ”

The NT purports to be History and its libelous representation of the Jewish people has caused enormous injury.
Imagine how it was for Native Americans watching those old cowboy and Indian movies in which Indians were just targets for the white heroes to shoot at and you will just begin to understand how Christianity has portrayed Judaism.

“BTW, I may even misrepresented Maguss. He may even have an evil reason behind believing Christianity. Oh, well...”

I don’t think that you represented Magus 55 at all and I most certainly never meant to suggest that Magus 55 Christianity was anything but sincere, or that his motivation was impure.

Jeremy Pallant

This doesn't really seem like it belongs here. I'm torn between moving it to Elsewhere and General Religious Discussion. Ah, what the heck. Elsewhere it is.

Magus55

I'm a bit confused Baidarka. Are you wondering why I went from Judaism to Messianic Judaism?

Have we been persecuted ALOT? Yes, i'd say more than any other group of people in history. But amazingly, despite the overwhelming odds against us ( only about 15 million Jews in the world), the Jews and Israel still thrive, just as God said they would.

I don't hold it against Christians who choose to persecute us, because they aren't the majority. Turning against Christianity because Hitler was a sicko and chose to fulfill his own, non-Christian agenda of disposing of God's chosen people is like atheists turning away from atheism because Stalin killed 21 million people. My faith and beliefs aren't in humans, they are in Y'shua. The main board I post on is Rapture Ready, and they are extremely nice there. Never had a problem from them because i'm a Messianic Jew.

Shalom

lpetrich

And the really funny thing about this is that lynch mobs generally do not say things like that. A real one would prefer something like

Death to Jesus!!!

shouted in a totally unrepentant manner.