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Bible Humper · 10-11-2002, 07:59 PM

Hello there, in another thread I brought up the early stories of Jesus that included his use of a wand.

<a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/catacombs.html" target="_blank">The Christian catacombs around Rome(skip to second article)</a> include frescoes depicting this, and I saw another site mention that he used the wand for his healing, as well as the tricks with the loaves and fishes.

I am having a surprisingly difficult time tracking down the old site that had lots of info about this with Google, does anyone here know more about this and perhaps remember a site with more details?

Thanks.

Bible Humper · 10-11-2002, 08:36 PM

<a href="http://www.belmont.edu/honorsprogram/CatPix/CatPix.html" target="_blank">Here is one of the images of Jesus using a wand to raise Lazarus from the dead</a>

Starboy · 10-11-2002, 08:42 PM

Sure, but did he show the crowd that there was nothing up his sleeves?

Starboy

Bible Humper · 10-11-2002, 09:03 PM

ROFL, it sure isn't an image that we can expect the christians to want to have of the avatar, is it?

Marduk · 10-12-2002, 06:38 AM

Must be from the same guy who painted that picture in the 1400's of Mary with baby Jesus and a flying saucer over her left shoulder.

Uzzah · 10-12-2002, 08:10 AM

Also note that jesus is a young boy without a beard in all of them. And there really is no sign of a cross. just funny how things change.

Uzzah

galiel · 10-12-2002, 12:43 PM

"Is that a wand in your hand, Jesus, or are you just glad to see me?"

Eudaimonist · 10-12-2002, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bible Humper:
<strong><a href="http://www.belmont.edu/honorsprogram/CatPix/TheGiordani_RaiseLazarus.jpg" target="_blank">Jesus using a wand to raise Lazarus</a></strong>

Jesus looks a bit like Hitler in this one.

[ October 12, 2002: Message edited by: Eudaimonist ]</p>

Curt Epithet · 10-14-2002, 12:51 PM

12 and a half inches, olive wood, unicorn hair. Good for healing and casting out demons....

Baidarka · 10-14-2002, 02:10 PM

Here are a couple of citations from the Jewish Talmud which accuse Jesus of being a magician and a deceiver. I would imagine this to mean a fraud.
I have long thought that Jesus’ magic as described in the NT seemed to be highly theatrical and easily faked.
It is hard to say whether these Jewish citations are independent of Christian tradition or not. They may be a response to Christian claims.
Talmud Sanhedrin 107b, Sotah 47a
“And the master said: Yeshu {the Notzri} practiced magic and deceive and led Israel astray.”
Talmud Sanhedrin 43a
“It is taught: On the eve of Passover they hung Yeshu and the crier went forth for forty days beforehand declaring that "[Yeshu] is going to be stoned for practicing witchcraft, for enticing and leading Israel astray. Anyone who knows something to clear him should come forth and exonerate him." But no one had anything exonerating for him and they hung him on the eve of Passover.”

10-11-2002, 07:59 PM	#1
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	Jesus used a wand? Hello there, in another thread I brought up the early stories of Jesus that included his use of a wand. <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/catacombs.html" target="_blank">The Christian catacombs around Rome(skip to second article)</a> include frescoes depicting this, and I saw another site mention that he used the wand for his healing, as well as the tricks with the loaves and fishes. I am having a surprisingly difficult time tracking down the old site that had lots of info about this with Google, does anyone here know more about this and perhaps remember a site with more details? Thanks.

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10-11-2002, 08:36 PM	#2
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	<a href="http://www.belmont.edu/honorsprogram/CatPix/CatPix.html" target="_blank">Here is one of the images of Jesus using a wand to raise Lazarus from the dead</a>

10-11-2002, 08:42 PM	#3
Starboy Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL Reality Adventurer Posts: 5,276	Sure, but did he show the crowd that there was nothing up his sleeves? Starboy

10-11-2002, 09:03 PM	#4
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	ROFL, it sure isn't an image that we can expect the christians to want to have of the avatar, is it?

10-12-2002, 06:38 AM	#5
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	Must be from the same guy who painted that picture in the 1400's of Mary with baby Jesus and a flying saucer over her left shoulder.

10-12-2002, 08:10 AM	#6
Uzzah Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 196	Also note that jesus is a young boy without a beard in all of them. And there really is no sign of a cross. just funny how things change. Uzzah

10-12-2002, 12:43 PM	#7
galiel Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Eastern Massachusetts Posts: 1,677	"Is that a wand in your hand, Jesus, or are you just glad to see me?"

10-14-2002, 12:51 PM	#9
Curt Epithet Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 65	12 and a half inches, olive wood, unicorn hair. Good for healing and casting out demons....

10-14-2002, 02:10 PM	#10
Baidarka Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 590	Here are a couple of citations from the Jewish Talmud which accuse Jesus of being a magician and a deceiver. I would imagine this to mean a fraud. I have long thought that Jesus’ magic as described in the NT seemed to be highly theatrical and easily faked. It is hard to say whether these Jewish citations are independent of Christian tradition or not. They may be a response to Christian claims. Talmud Sanhedrin 107b, Sotah 47a “And the master said: Yeshu {the Notzri} practiced magic and deceive and led Israel astray.” Talmud Sanhedrin 43a “It is taught: On the eve of Passover they hung Yeshu and the crier went forth for forty days beforehand declaring that "[Yeshu] is going to be stoned for practicing witchcraft, for enticing and leading Israel astray. Anyone who knows something to clear him should come forth and exonerate him." But no one had anything exonerating for him and they hung him on the eve of Passover.”

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