Infinity Lover

Did George W say... "Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. I believe that the liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world; it is God's gift to humanity.

I believe that we Americans have faith in ourselves, but not in ourselves alone. We do not claim to know all the ways of Providence, yet we can trust in them, those who also believe placing their confidence in the loving god behind all of life and all of history.

I wish that he may guide us now, and may God continue to bless the United States of America."?

No.

He was stating his beliefs as though they were facts, and I think that is where others here consider a line being crossed.

Why isn't this in Church/State seperation btw?

lpetrich

Seems like the Seedling believes that God is an American, that Americans are somehow God's chosen people.

Abacus

And He votes Republican.

Ensign Steve

Excellent metaphor! Made me laugh out loud at a thread that was making me physically sick. I listened to about 2 minutes of the speech last night, until my girlfriend turned it off in disgust. And she's a theist!

Jen

Mageth

Actually, if you were voted into office based on the fact that you were a motorcyclist and that was your thing, then the people who voted for you would've put you in office in order to give special rights to bikers.

Actually, the President, according to the Constitution, is head of the Executive Branch of our government. The President's duties do not include giving rights to anyone.

Godless Dave

I gotta say, I don't think there's anything illegal about a President, even while discharging* the duties of his office, to talk about his religious beliefs. Even if he implies that the whole country shares his beliefs. It sure is impolite though. It also makes him look like a moron. He may as well knock on the podium for good luck.

Bltl6 I would only buy that if the faith-based treatment program you were going to had been tested and found to have a success rate comparable to other programs. I am against special rights for faith-based programs. You can't give programs an assumption of effectiveness just because they are based on a particular religious belief.


* You're dying for a Clinton joke, aren't you?

Enlighten Me

Bush also gave a covert, yet powerful, nod to fundamentalists when he said "There's power---wonder working power....." in faith-based agencies who help addicts. Most fundamentalists are familiar with the hymn, "Power in the Blood" from which his words were taken. Or maybe it was just a coincidence.....

Amos

Good point enlightened lady. That is just some evidence of subtle satan shining through.

Enlighten Me

Hmmmm......Do I detect some subtle "sarcasm" shining through? My point is that Bush is clever about appealing to his "born-again" followers by using, yes, "subtle" Christian imagery....

Amos

Nice try, dear Lady, but in my view they are one and the same.