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Brian Lindsey · 09-06-2002, 08:21 AM

Greetings to all, I don't post much here but lurk alot. Was wondering if anyone could point me to some good information about the following:

I ran across a Chick tract about the Exodus plagues that claimed that each of the plagues was designed to discredit the pantheon of Egyptian gods. Here they are:

1. Bloody water - Hapi - the Nile River god
2. Frogs - Heqt - the frog goddess
3. Lice - Seb - the earth god
4. Flies/Beetles - "
5. Beasts - Hathor - the mother goddess
6. Boils - Imhotep - god of medicine
7. Hail - Nut - goddess of the sky
8. Locusts - "
9. Darkness - Horus - the sun god
10. Death of first born - AMun-Re - god of the first born

I'm looking for information about the historical aspects of the 10 plagues and how this sequence would/would not support the historicity of the plaques. Is the idea that each plague was focused on an Egyptian god taken seriously in higher critical circles? How does the historical timeline fit? Do the gods mentioned above actually fit the descriptions? I found another website, Exodus Plagues that listed slightly different gods. Who is more accurate, or all of it bull?

Thanks in advance for any help I can get.

Brian

Kosh · 09-06-2002, 09:40 AM

Even if they were "designed" to discredit the Egyptian Gods, that does not in itself make the story true. There is of course, no historical evidence for the plagues, (or any of Exodus for that matter).

You should probably pick up a copy of
The Bible Unearthed to see just how the evidence (or lack of) lines up.

Plebe · 09-06-2002, 01:21 PM

www.bibleorigins.net/ExodusProblems.html

http://www.bibleorigins.net/ExodusTi...telKhadim.html

www.bibleorigins.net is the most objective resource I can find so far. The idea of getting a copy of The Bible Unearthed by Silberman is a good one because he is a professional archaeologist. I keyed in his full name in the google.com search engine and came across a mini bio of him mentioning http://www.asor.org and then came across plenty of links on Egyptology.
Research takes time, a good multisearch engine is http://dmoz.org

Let me know what you think of my findings and if you run across any more "Professional" archaeological reviews of the Exodus/Ten Plagues online. I had fun looking this up and being challenged to find an objective source!

Amen-Moses · 09-06-2002, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Brian Lindsey:
1. Bloody water - Hapi - the Nile River god

OK, this one fits.

2. Frogs - Heqt - the frog goddess

New one on me, I'll have to look her up.

3. Lice - Seb - the earth god

Eh? What does lice have to do with earth?

4. Flies/Beetles - "

I'm surprised there is no name here, I'm sure there was a beetle god.

5. Beasts - Hathor - the mother goddess

Except she wasn't! Much more appropriate would be the separate beast gods, like the Goat and Bull gods.

6. Boils - Imhotep - god of medicine

Except he wasn't a god! Thoth would be a better fit.

7. Hail - Nut - goddess of the sky

Rain was defined as the product of the Nile gods not Nut, her ony job was to keep the stars up in the sky so meterorite showers would have been more appropriate.

8. Locusts - "

Another omission? Why isn't this Seb again? Maybe he didn't get the mesage first time around.

9. Darkness - Horus - the sun god

He wasn't, Ra was the sun god, Horus was the "Son" god, resurrected in each Pharoah via a complicated ritual designed to transfer the Horus spirit (signified by the Hawkhead) from father to son.

10. Death of first born - AMun-Re - god of the first born

Except he wasn't, he was a late (possibly even after any possible exodus) amalgamation of Amen & Ra, so he became both creator god and sun god in one.

I'm looking for information about the historical aspects of the 10 plagues and how this sequence would/would not support the historicity of the plaques.

As far as I know there is absolutely no historical basis for any "ten plagues" event.

Amen-Moses

Radcliffe Emerson · 09-06-2002, 02:03 PM

Uh Oh Kosh, you're gonna get blasted for suggesting The Bible Unearthed.
Even though that is the book people who believe the Old Testament should read.

[ September 06, 2002: Message edited by: Radcliffe Emerson ]</p>

Marduk · 09-07-2002, 04:00 AM

A good book would be "Egypt & Israel in Ancient Times" Redford

Plebe · 09-07-2002, 02:42 PM

Here's a link to Joseph Wheless' analysis of Exodus which is found right here in infidels.org database/search engine and titled appropriately "THE WONDERS OF THE EXODUS"

http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...hapter_04.html

Here's the link to all of his works here at Infidels. He covers both Old and New Testament.

http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...ss/index.shtml

09-06-2002, 08:21 AM	#1
Brian Lindsey Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washinton Posts: 7	Exodus Plagues and Egyptian Gods Greetings to all, I don't post much here but lurk alot. Was wondering if anyone could point me to some good information about the following: I ran across a Chick tract about the Exodus plagues that claimed that each of the plagues was designed to discredit the pantheon of Egyptian gods. Here they are: 1. Bloody water - Hapi - the Nile River god 2. Frogs - Heqt - the frog goddess 3. Lice - Seb - the earth god 4. Flies/Beetles - " 5. Beasts - Hathor - the mother goddess 6. Boils - Imhotep - god of medicine 7. Hail - Nut - goddess of the sky 8. Locusts - " 9. Darkness - Horus - the sun god 10. Death of first born - AMun-Re - god of the first born I'm looking for information about the historical aspects of the 10 plagues and how this sequence would/would not support the historicity of the plaques. Is the idea that each plague was focused on an Egyptian god taken seriously in higher critical circles? How does the historical timeline fit? Do the gods mentioned above actually fit the descriptions? I found another website, Exodus Plagues that listed slightly different gods. Who is more accurate, or all of it bull? Thanks in advance for any help I can get. Brian

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09-06-2002, 09:40 AM	#2
Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	Even if they were "designed" to discredit the Egyptian Gods, that does not in itself make the story true. There is of course, no historical evidence for the plagues, (or any of Exodus for that matter). You should probably pick up a copy of The Bible Unearthed to see just how the evidence (or lack of) lines up.

09-06-2002, 01:21 PM	#3
Plebe Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Contra Costa County Posts: 168	www.bibleorigins.net/ExodusProblems.html http://www.bibleorigins.net/ExodusTi...telKhadim.html www.bibleorigins.net is the most objective resource I can find so far. The idea of getting a copy of The Bible Unearthed by Silberman is a good one because he is a professional archaeologist. I keyed in his full name in the google.com search engine and came across a mini bio of him mentioning http://www.asor.org and then came across plenty of links on Egyptology. Research takes time, a good multisearch engine is http://dmoz.org Let me know what you think of my findings and if you run across any more "Professional" archaeological reviews of the Exodus/Ten Plagues online. I had fun looking this up and being challenged to find an objective source!

09-06-2002, 01:59 PM	#4
Amen-Moses Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 4,652	Originally posted by Brian Lindsey: 1. Bloody water - Hapi - the Nile River god OK, this one fits. 2. Frogs - Heqt - the frog goddess New one on me, I'll have to look her up. 3. Lice - Seb - the earth god Eh? What does lice have to do with earth? 4. Flies/Beetles - " I'm surprised there is no name here, I'm sure there was a beetle god. 5. Beasts - Hathor - the mother goddess Except she wasn't! Much more appropriate would be the separate beast gods, like the Goat and Bull gods. 6. Boils - Imhotep - god of medicine Except he wasn't a god! Thoth would be a better fit. 7. Hail - Nut - goddess of the sky Rain was defined as the product of the Nile gods not Nut, her ony job was to keep the stars up in the sky so meterorite showers would have been more appropriate. 8. Locusts - " Another omission? Why isn't this Seb again? Maybe he didn't get the mesage first time around. 9. Darkness - Horus - the sun god He wasn't, Ra was the sun god, Horus was the "Son" god, resurrected in each Pharoah via a complicated ritual designed to transfer the Horus spirit (signified by the Hawkhead) from father to son. 10. Death of first born - AMun-Re - god of the first born Except he wasn't, he was a late (possibly even after any possible exodus) amalgamation of Amen & Ra, so he became both creator god and sun god in one. I'm looking for information about the historical aspects of the 10 plagues and how this sequence would/would not support the historicity of the plaques. As far as I know there is absolutely no historical basis for any "ten plagues" event. Amen-Moses

09-06-2002, 02:03 PM	#5
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	Uh Oh Kosh, you're gonna get blasted for suggesting The Bible Unearthed. Even though that is the book people who believe the Old Testament should read. [ September 06, 2002: Message edited by: Radcliffe Emerson ]</p>

09-07-2002, 04:00 AM	#6
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	A good book would be "Egypt & Israel in Ancient Times" Redford

09-07-2002, 02:42 PM	#7
Plebe Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Contra Costa County Posts: 168	Here's a link to Joseph Wheless' analysis of Exodus which is found right here in infidels.org database/search engine and titled appropriately "THE WONDERS OF THE EXODUS" http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...hapter_04.html Here's the link to all of his works here at Infidels. He covers both Old and New Testament. http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...ss/index.shtml

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