malai5

CAUSE AND EFFECT
In the Hidden Self
25.2.03.

Consider this!

The True being Self - Cause
Higher Self - Effect
Little Self - Cause
3D Self - Effect

3D Self

The one that operates in a 3D world, who puts out in it's learned way, thru taught beliefs, who has to compromise itself in order to fit in, The one who is affected by what is around it.

Little Self

The self you are left with, to deal with, that steers you in your life, the one that causes you to react, to act out, by what is around it. It’s the self, which is a work in progress, never ending.

Higher Self

The self that emanates from a higher source is contracted to fulfill its souls journey. It is the Higher Self that is the gap between the earthly self, it is the self that is affected by directives, it cannot operate any way, but universally. It seeks to be discovered in a sense by the little self, so it can guide you into fulfilling your contract on earth. It is the knowing self, the realized self; it's your contact to higher realms. It cannot be achieved any other way. It's who you are. It is a living entity, which exists beyond earthly limitations.

True Self

The self that got you here in the first place, the self that has to exist, otherwise you would not. It is the self that is seeded from that which is G.O.D. The self that has had to agree to the lives that would be lived on earth or otherwise, the self that has sealed your path, has agreed to the lessons that will be learned or not, the self that causes the whole process to take place, to work. It’s the self, which you return to when you leave your earthly life. To begin again, on another contracted life.

The Causes and the Affects which live within the Hidden Self are just as tangible as the causes and affects that you live out everyday with those around you, be it family, friends, acquaintances, world events, etc. To understand the hidden self first, to see why you do what you do in an open and truthful way, will give to you the steps to take in being able to address the issues in your life which you live out in a 3d world. The answers, the true answers will only be found within.

This is so.

M.A.M.

jpbrooks

Hi again, malai5!


The problem that I have with this eeneral (Eastern) view of the "self" is that if the "Highest" level of "self" was the original level, how (and why) could it have become so "degraded" that it ended up as a "little self" in a universe that controls it, rather than the other way around? Views like Scientology (to their credit) do attempt to provide an answer to this question, but the "answer(s)" still seem to leave questions.

malai5

Dear jpbrooks.

The reason why the ''True self'' became ''degraded'', was because it needed to incarnate into a world, the 3D world, where it could learn to overcome the most seductive of situations. The lesson of a 3D world, is indeed a hard one, but necessary for the growth of the True Self. The purity currupted, to climb back to purity in the face of an adverse world.
And if the being doesn't get it right the first time, it keeps coming back till it does. A bit depressing hey.
You must remember that this 3D world is pretty much on the bottom of the heap as developed worlds are concerned.

Cheers.

Malai5.

Tom Sawyer

What are you basing that on?

What's your evidence that this 3D world isn't the utopia aspired to by all the people in the 1D universes?

jpbrooks

But the "True Self" is supposed to be the originator of the whole process. So, why would it need to "grow", and how could "growth" for it even be possible? If the "True Self" itself needs to "grow" and "evolve", then we could ask, does it then need a "Truer Self" beyond it to determine its path? If so, then how can we avoid an infinite regress of hierarchical "True Selves", which would effectively defeat the whole process, since, in that case, there could have been no first "seeding" of a 'True Self". If not, then why should a "little self" need a "True Self"?

How? What had the power to "corrupt" it? Only "G.O.D." seems to have such power. But why would "G.O.D." suddenly become a "corruptor"?

Why a world at all? Why didn't the "True Self' simply have the power to overcome the "corruption" without having to become incarnate in a world?

Yes. But again, what could the "True Self" have done wrong that necessitated its first incarnation?

malai5

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tom Sawyer
[B]What are you basing that on?

What's your evidence that this 3D world isn't the utopia aspired to by all the people in the 1D universes?

Dear Tom Sawyer.

The evidence, comes by way of our universal contacts that inform us that, of the physical worlds, humanoid worlds it is because of it's unique function, the home of droids and beings, that socially it is the ''bottom of the heap'' (please read droids and beings Pt3 in elsewhere.) It is no utopia compared to the other 3D worlds and is now destined to finish. The mix did not work because free will went the negative way. No ''betterment plan'' was put in place. Those that came to help right it, were not listened to.

We know that some dimensional worlds are not physical, but energetic.
There are countless dimensional worlds and as a general rule, are in advance of each other the ''higher'' they are.
10D, 30D. 1000D, 2000D, etc.

Cheers.

Malai5.

malai5

Dear jpbrooks.

To start with, everything grows, evolves. That is the imperitive of the whole. The Grand Order of Design.

When a ''new soul being'' is seeded, it has access to all of the information that is. But, to make use of this information, it has to turn that information into ''wisdom''. In other words, it has to ''prove'' the information it has access to in each contracted life's run.
A newly seeded new soul being, in it's energetic form, the true self, has to ''experience'', in order to grow. This ''experience'' is provided by lives in many dimensional worlds where it gets it's experience. The true self being, sends out parts of itself to these created worlds to do this. When the individual lives are done, they ''bring home the bacon'' as it were, the growth/experience/evolution, that is the growth of the true self being. This growth of the individual contributes to the growth of the whole. A constant evolutionary expansion.

The original creative force, the Gift Of Design, G.O.D. constantly evolves as well.

G.O.D. does not ''corrupt'', beings do this to themselves for lessons of corruption. Remember, in some of our lives we ALL have worn ''black hats''. Otherwise how would we learn.

The true self needs to ''experience'' incarnations to test the emissaries ability to keep in touch with the true self's knowledge base, the intuitive ability to know right from wrong. But it has had to have learned this lesson before the knowledge can be retrieved.

The true self, is the pure self, it is created to learn, to take it's place as a universal entity, a being. It has done nothing ''wrong''.
Right and wrong are 3D societal terms based on the 'maxims'' of the 3D world. In truth, there is no right or wrong, just the perceptions of same. There are just lessons and learning.

Cheers.

Malai5.

jpbrooks

Now, this does provide a reason for why the first incarnation occurred. But it raises a new problem; namely, if "G.O.D." must evolve, who or what determines its path of development? If there is nothing beyond "G.O.D." to determine its path of evolution, then how does it, or anyone else for that matter, ascertain that any "growth" at all in "G.O.D." takes place?
On the other hand, if there is something beyond "G.O.D." that determines "G.O.D.'s" path of "growth", then either that "something" doesn't "grow" and we end up again with the original problem of not being able to explain why the whole process began in the first place, or that "something" does "grow", which simply transfers the question about "G.O.D." to the thing beyond it.

Of course, the ultimate goal of this entire process should be some kind of "union" of the "Selves". Otherwise, what would be the point of the "lessons"?

But again, who or what is running the "school"?

If there is no right or wrong, why would a being need to be reincarnated when it doesn't learn the "lessons" that it is supposed to learn? It seems that right and wrong are just as real for "non-3D" beings, who create the "rules" for reincarnation, as they are for 3D beings.

I have to leave soon.

Keith Russell

Greetings:

As near as I can tell, there is no '3D' world. Existence is--based on current evidence--eleven dimensional, period.

We may only perceive three or four dimensions (although apparently Stephen Hawking can think in eleven), but perceptions are not always real or true. There is no 3-D world, there is only one universe, and it is as it is--whatever we may believe, or claim to know, about it.

Lastly, to say that 'in truth, there is no right and wrong', is akin to saying 'it's true that there is no truth', or 'I'm right that that there is no right or wrong'.

In other words, such statements are nonsense.

Keith.

malai5

Dear jpbrooks.

Our information states that the Gift Of Design just ''IS". There appears to be no directing force beyond it. The view that when something expands, it take up a larger physical space is a 3D perception.
From our understanding, the way it all grows, is self directing, once started. There appears to be a ''feedback'' process that is, dependant on the accumulated knowledge, growth, wisdom etc, The outward thrust is subject to it's accumulated knowledge plus what it gains on the way out. The outward thrust then falls back on itself, but to the new position dictated by the feedback. This new position provides a new start point, a new direction, hence, self directing. The expansion we know to be exponential.
This operates in the Grand Order of Design, the multiverses on a macro and micro level.
We do not yet know if it is a similar process in the Gift Of Design, the creator of the Grand Order of Design.
So the way it is designed, is a one way system with an inbuilt guidence system.

The ultimate goal, is the growth of the true self which contributes to the growth of the whole, that's the imperitive. The reunion with the selves is part of this process.

Actually, the school runs the school, the Gift Of Design is the final authority that is the highest subtle influence.

Learning a lesson doesn't mean there is a right or wrong way, in the strict sense. Lessons are just the experiencing of all aspects, from all angles of the universe in all it's spectrums. It means choosing the best possible way, taking all the variables into account. Very complicated but you have eternity to do it in, It is never ending.
Right and wrong are only 3D terms and of small relavence, as what is right in one culture, id wrong in another.

Cheers.

Malai5.