Amie

Hi Reasonable Doubt,
I'll check out your link tomorrow.
Amie~

ps418

Completely wrong. The configuration of the continents 4500 yrs ago (biblical flood date) were essentially identical to the current configuration. See my article <a href="http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/CT.htm" target="_blank">Sea-floor Spreading and the Age of the Earth.</a> What's more, the biblical desceription of the preflood world (e.g. the Tigris-Euphrates river valley) indicates that the "preflood" world was the same as the modern world.

Marduk

Amie, I am confused beyond belief as to what you are trying to accomplish. You are trying to defend what essentially is a theistic belief as if it were a scientific theory your best friend posed.
A theistic answer is called for not a scientific explanation;
How could a wooden boat hold all these animals? God told the animals to go to the Middle East, then get in the boat and sleep for a year without eating or pooping, when you awake you will eat soggy veggies for a year or so and you’ll like it.
God held the boat afloat with his big invisible hands, and stopped it from falling apart with divine glue or something.
The water? God made it, he made the universe, right? He could easily whip up some extra water when necessary, then make it go away.
Why are you knocking yourself out? It is not a scientific subject and requires no scientific explanation.

<img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Infinity Lover

Amie; perhaps you don't so much belief in the flood, but rather have a large array of reasons to conclude it isn't entirely inconceivable.
I've seen the word 'belief' pop up a couple of times now, which basicly means 'not doubting something even though you can't be sure', and maybe it's better not to have any misunderstandings there. Hense this post.

Just for good meassure's
(I think you opened up a can of worms; but one you enjoy sticking your hand in, in an intrigued biologist kinda way.)

Marcel.

[ September 17, 2002: Message edited by: Infinity Lover ]</p>

Kosh

The trick here, Amie, is to pick a date which doesn't fall smack in the middle of both the Egyptian and Chinese cultures, AND doesn't contradict the rather explict timelines spelled out in the OT.

Good luck.

Amie

Hi Marcel
you are darling. I wanted to collect the worms, but they have all escaped
Kosh: eeniemeeniemineymo
I am still reading the archives, and some of the links are not working for me
I will be back though.
Kosh: if the raiders go to the superbowl (which they WILL) then will you read my book recommendation dear? I was going to get into the boat but it seems that 2 have been discussing it already in this thread...
Amie~

Infinity Lover

LOL.
Even if you don't get all of them, people are still going to be impressed by how many you got anyway, and love you for chasing after them.

HelenM

I hope so because so far I can't find much more substance in your argument than "I believe it happened but I don't know exactly how".

Unless I missed some key posts

I don't think that would have been sufficient to have a formal debate with. But maybe you simply haven't had chance to get into the specifics yet.

If you answer some specific questions raised here using other peoples' materials can you let us know what you're using? Thanks

Happy researching...

take care
Helen

The Lone Ranger

However, Krakatoa was colonized only by animal species that occupy nearby landmasses. It's not as if you find species from the other side of the planet occupying Krakatoa.

Here's something to think about: why don't relatively young, isolated oceanic islands have amphibians? They don't because virtually no living amphibian species can tolerate exposure to salt water for more than a few minutes. This, to put it mildly, severely restricts their ability to move even very short distances across salt water.

Yet Australia has amphibians. How did they get there? [See below.]


There's abundant geological (and biological) evidence to support the conclusion that roughly 200 million years ago, virtually all of the world's continental landmass was clumped together to form a "supercontinent" called Pangaea. Pangaea apparently began to break up (driven by plate tectonic activity) about 200 million years ago, into a northern supercontinent (Laurasia) and a southern supercontinent (Gondwanaland).

Laurasia eventually split apart to form Eurasia and North America. Gondwanaland eventually split apart to form Africa, Asia Minor, Australia, South America, and Antarctica.

Prior to the breakup of Pangaea, monotremes and marsupials had already evolved, according to the fossil record and molecular biology, and so it's unsurprising that their fossils are widespread. Subsequent to the breakup of Pangaea, eutherian mammals evolved in Laurasia.

Marsupials and monotremes don't seem to do very well in direct competition with eutherians (with a few noteworthy exceptions), and were apparently exterminated in Laurasia. Eventually, all the Gondwanaland-derived continents collided with Laurasia-derived continents -- with the exceptions of Antarctica and Australia. In each case, eutherian mammals invaded the Gondwanaland-derived continents, and the marsupials and monotremes were nearly or completely wiped out.

Australia is unique in that it has never been connected to a sizable landmass with eutherian mammals. The only eutherians native to Australia are bats and marine mammals. [Amphibians had evolved and diversified and spread over the planet long before the breakup of Pangaea, by the way.]




We know quite a lot about animal (and plant) distributions within the past several tens of thousands of years.


Not in the past 200 million years.


I truly mean no offense, but some speculations are clearly better than others. Evidence matters, after all.

So anyway, how did amphibians get from the Middle East all the way to Australia? As ps418 has pointed out, continental configurations have been essentially constant during the past few tens of thousands of years. So how did amphibians manage to cross hundreds of miles of lethal seawater to recolonize Australia, when they can't manage to colonize islands just a mile or two offshore unless someone carries them there?

Cheers,

Michael

[ September 17, 2002: Message edited by: The Lone Ranger ]</p>

Lone Wolf

Did you bother to read the link I posted on this subject? It's really easy to read... promise.