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Eudaimonist · 02-18-2002, 04:13 PM

Very good, frostymama, but shouldn't you alter the pic of Pat Robertson in Photoshop to make him look like some kind of lower life form?

jess · 02-20-2002, 11:41 AM

If one argues that the goal of reincarnation is enlightenment--- the loss of desire to have a physical form and submit to the pleaures of a carnal life and individuality, then the Christians will be coming back alot. One of their major problems with the concept of elightenment is the loss of individualism.

It is sort of like we are children in this carnal existance, and some of us grow up and remember childhood fondly but get on with our 'lives' and others refuse to 'grow up' and keep coming back...

Mike Rosoft · 02-21-2002, 05:01 AM

>shouldn't you alter the pic of Pat Robertson in Photoshop to make him
>look like some kind of lower life form?

Lower life form than Pat Robertson?

Mike Rosoft

Direckshun · 02-21-2002, 08:15 AM

Actually, the Christian Hell was originally a Persian concept adapted to Christianity around 500 A.D.

NON-theist · 03-24-2002, 05:33 PM

The fact is that we don't have to find any other religions that require belief in order to meet Pascal's wager. Indeed, Christianity itself has so many different sects, each of which demand often very different beliefs from its adherents. Many fundamentalists claim that Catholics are not Christians (are not saved and are therefore going to hell). Yet Catholics believe in God. Therefore, fundamentalists would have us further believe in their own translation and interpretation of the Bible in order to be saved. Other Christian groups (Jehova's witness?) similarly claim that only their believers will make it to heaven (I think only something like 1,458 people will actually make it). Additionally, Christian cults like Heaven's Gate require adherents to adopt strict (and deadly) beliefs about the coming Messiah. Pascal's wager, even if it is limited to Christianity, would have us believe in a multitude of mutually exclusive doctrines and interpretations *just to be safe*.

MOJO-JOJO · 03-25-2002, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Eudaimonia:
The Greek Hell is Tartarus.

Do you think they have Ouzo, Souvlaki and Nude Beaches?

MOJO-JOJO · 03-25-2002, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by NON-theist:
 Other Christian groups (Jehova's witness?) similarly claim that only their believers will make it to heaven (I think only something like 1,458 people will actually make it).

The Jehovah Cultists take some literalistic interpretation of the 144,000 that will be saved, adding that they have already been selected (all Watchtower types of course). The rest of us don't stand a frog's fat ass of a chance getting in.

Nuts...they're all freakin' nuts!

Eudaimonist · 03-25-2002, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MOJO-JOJO:
Do you think they have Ouzo, Souvlaki and Nude Beaches?

Ooo! If we're lucky.

Eudaimonist · 03-25-2002, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MOJO-JOJO:
The Jehovah Cultists take some literalistic interpretation of the 144,000 that will be saved, adding that they have already been selected (all Watchtower types of course). The rest of us don't stand a frog's fat ass of a chance getting in.

Nuts...they're all freakin' nuts!

I think they changed their minds about that. From what I understand, the JWs believe that 144,000 JWs will make up the heavenly choir, and any additional Saved will bodily inhabit a new Earth.

I guess they realized there have already been more than 144,000 JWs.

Godless Dave · 03-27-2002, 09:05 AM

Norse myths have a hell, and you go there by not qualifying for either of the two "good" afterlives. But it's not belief that gets you in. To get to Valhalla you have to be a brave warrior. I forget what the other "heaven" is called but it's for middle and lower class farmer types as opposed to the military aristocracy. I suspect if you are fierce in battle Odin doesn't care what god you worship, if any. He just wants you to be good with a sword!

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02-18-2002, 04:13 PM	#11
Eudaimonist Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sundsvall, Sweden Posts: 3,159	Very good, frostymama, but shouldn't you alter the pic of Pat Robertson in Photoshop to make him look like some kind of lower life form?

02-20-2002, 11:41 AM	#12
jess Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: rationalpagans.com Posts: 7,400	If one argues that the goal of reincarnation is enlightenment--- the loss of desire to have a physical form and submit to the pleaures of a carnal life and individuality, then the Christians will be coming back alot. One of their major problems with the concept of elightenment is the loss of individualism. It is sort of like we are children in this carnal existance, and some of us grow up and remember childhood fondly but get on with our 'lives' and others refuse to 'grow up' and keep coming back...

02-21-2002, 05:01 AM	#13
Mike Rosoft Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 965	>shouldn't you alter the pic of Pat Robertson in Photoshop to make him >look like some kind of lower life form? Lower life form than Pat Robertson? Mike Rosoft

02-21-2002, 08:15 AM	#14
Direckshun Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 63	Actually, the Christian Hell was originally a Persian concept adapted to Christianity around 500 A.D.

03-24-2002, 05:33 PM	#15
NON-theist Junior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chiang Mai, Thailand Posts: 12	The fact is that we don't have to find any other religions that require belief in order to meet Pascal's wager. Indeed, Christianity itself has so many different sects, each of which demand often very different beliefs from its adherents. Many fundamentalists claim that Catholics are not Christians (are not saved and are therefore going to hell). Yet Catholics believe in God. Therefore, fundamentalists would have us further believe in their own translation and interpretation of the Bible in order to be saved. Other Christian groups (Jehova's witness?) similarly claim that only their believers will make it to heaven (I think only something like 1,458 people will actually make it). Additionally, Christian cults like Heaven's Gate require adherents to adopt strict (and deadly) beliefs about the coming Messiah. Pascal's wager, even if it is limited to Christianity, would have us believe in a multitude of mutually exclusive doctrines and interpretations just to be safe.

03-27-2002, 09:05 AM	#20
Godless Dave Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast? Posts: 10,762	Norse myths have a hell, and you go there by not qualifying for either of the two "good" afterlives. But it's not belief that gets you in. To get to Valhalla you have to be a brave warrior. I forget what the other "heaven" is called but it's for middle and lower class farmer types as opposed to the military aristocracy. I suspect if you are fierce in battle Odin doesn't care what god you worship, if any. He just wants you to be good with a sword!

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