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GPLindsey · 07-05-2002, 05:04 PM

This question might offend many, which is not my intent. But according to my New World Dictionary of the American Language, second college edition, it says:

transubstantiation--the doctrine that, in the Eucharist, the whole substances of the bread and of the wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ, only the accidents of bread and wine remaining

I'm sorry, but I don't know of a more delicate way of asking this--doesn't this sound like a ritualistic or symbolic form of cannibalism? What does it mean when one says that the wafer I am chewing is turning into the body of Christ? Does someone have an explanation of the meaning of transubstantiation that doesn't conjure up this awful image?

Gemma Therese · 07-05-2002, 05:24 PM

"This started an angry argument among [the people]. 'How can this man give us his flesh to eat?' they asked.
"Jesus said to them, 'I am telling you the truth: if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man ... you will not have life within you. [...] The one who eats this bread will live forever.'"

- John 6:52-53,58

Bible Humper · 07-05-2002, 05:30 PM

So it is justified cannibalism Gemma?

Yum

Gemma Therese · 07-05-2002, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Splashing Colours Of Whimsy:
<strong>So it is justified cannibalism Gemma?

Yum

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You can read it as well as I. Make your own conclusions as to what it means. I think it is among the greatest gifts God has given us.

07-05-2002, 05:33 PM

The response of the priests that I knew was:
"but it's not *dead* flesh. It's alive.." And squirming all the way down. mm-mmm

Bible Humper · 07-05-2002, 05:34 PM

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You can read it as well as I. Make your own conclusions as to what it means. I think it is among the greatest gifts God has given us.

Vampirism, cannibalism, and pedophilia, oh my!

Thanks for the "gift" of religion, God!!

Gemma Therese · 07-05-2002, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Splashing Colours Of Whimsy:
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Thanks for the "gift" of religion, God!!</strong>

It is the gift of Himself, which we as sinners do not deserve. Consider these lyrics from an old Catholic hymn:

Oh Lord, I am not worthy
That Thou should come to me
But speak the words of comfort
My spirit healed shall be.

Bible Humper · 07-05-2002, 06:00 PM

Hey, I just remembered! Don't they have the circumsised foreskin of Jesus on display somewhere as a relic? I'm surprised it hasn't been gobbled down by some rich believer yet!

Yummy yummy, in my tummy!

Surely a once in a lifetime opportunity would have to be savoured, eh Gemma? Run your tongue up and down that foreskin, sucking on all that sweet goodness!

Wow, Gemma is going to hate and damn me for this one! lol

GPLindsey · 07-06-2002, 05:27 AM

My conclusion so far--yes, it is ritual cannibalism!

Pomp · 07-06-2002, 11:10 AM

While an interesting topic, this has nothing to do with the Existence of God(s). I'm sending it to Misc. Religion Discussions.

07-05-2002, 05:04 PM	#1
GPLindsey Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 221	Is transubstantiation a form of ritualistic Ican'tsayit? This question might offend many, which is not my intent. But according to my New World Dictionary of the American Language, second college edition, it says: transubstantiation--the doctrine that, in the Eucharist, the whole substances of the bread and of the wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ, only the accidents of bread and wine remaining I'm sorry, but I don't know of a more delicate way of asking this--doesn't this sound like a ritualistic or symbolic form of cannibalism? What does it mean when one says that the wafer I am chewing is turning into the body of Christ? Does someone have an explanation of the meaning of transubstantiation that doesn't conjure up this awful image?

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07-05-2002, 05:24 PM	#2
Gemma Therese Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: new york Posts: 608	"This started an angry argument among [the people]. 'How can this man give us his flesh to eat?' they asked. "Jesus said to them, 'I am telling you the truth: if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man ... you will not have life within you. [...] The one who eats this bread will live forever.'" - John 6:52-53,58

07-05-2002, 05:30 PM	#3
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	So it is justified cannibalism Gemma? Yum

07-05-2002, 05:33 PM	#5
Synaesthesia Guest Posts: n/a	The response of the priests that I knew was: "but it's not dead flesh. It's alive.." And squirming all the way down. mm-mmm

07-05-2002, 06:00 PM	#8
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	Hey, I just remembered! Don't they have the circumsised foreskin of Jesus on display somewhere as a relic? I'm surprised it hasn't been gobbled down by some rich believer yet! Yummy yummy, in my tummy! Surely a once in a lifetime opportunity would have to be savoured, eh Gemma? Run your tongue up and down that foreskin, sucking on all that sweet goodness! Wow, Gemma is going to hate and damn me for this one! lol

07-06-2002, 05:27 AM	#9
GPLindsey Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 221	My conclusion so far--yes, it is ritual cannibalism!

07-06-2002, 11:10 AM	#10
Pomp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indianapolis area Posts: 3,468	While an interesting topic, this has nothing to do with the Existence of God(s). I'm sending it to Misc. Religion Discussions.

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