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hinduwoman · 11-29-2002, 05:00 PM

Echidna wrote,

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"They were married in Turkey & have subsequently returned several times, as well as visiting Palestine and Egypt, all Islamic last time I checked. You over-dramatise."

No he doesnot. Here is another viewpoint,from : <a href="http://forum.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?t=2425" target="_blank">http://forum.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?t=2425</a>

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If all people have an unassailable right to make their choices and live in peace and dignity, why is it then that I was hounded, like several other Muslim women I know, by Muslims who refused to accept my marriage to my Jewish husband because their god, via the Quran, doesn't permit such inter-faith unions? Why is it that I had to leave the Middle East to settle in a secular nation, which Muslims claim is Christian to further their divisive agenda, to find the peace and experience the dignity you state is my given right? Why is it that my Jewish parents-in-law accept me, an atheist, with love and open arms, denying me nothing, while my Muslim relatives declare me dead and state that if I should return to a Muslim nation I will be persecuted - with all the Islamic ramifications of that statement? Nafion speaks of Zionists. My parents-in-law live in Israel yet time and again asked me, when I first joined them and not knowing my views on Islam, if I would like to celebrate Muslim festivals, prayers, etc in their home and with their Jewish friends if I felt unsafe in a mosque. Yet it was in a mosque that my name was read aloud as an apostate and the Imam, a so-called man of God, demanded Islamic "justice" to be exacted upon me by all Muslims, in accordance with the Quran. Why is it that my husband, a kind and generous man who makes it a point never to harm anyone, has had a death sentence laid against him for "marrying and removing" me from Islam, as the same Imam stated?

To those bleeding hearts who declare people to be evil and Islam pure I say this: Islam exists because of its followers and it is only when they deny the xenophobic filth that masquerades in the guise of religion that everyone will find the peace and dignity you correctly say is a given right.

If it is a man marrying a woman of the Book, then the reaction is more muted.

11-29-2002, 05:27 PM

"No he doesnot. Here is another viewpoint,from : "

My reply : Thank you, madam.
I was wondering why Turkey (being Islamic country) was so tolerant toward cases such as this.

Even in my country where 30% - 40% of the populations are non-Muslims, it is against Syariah to have a non Muslim marry a Muslim and remain as a non Muslim. Such marriage is not acceptable in Syariah Court later and the person (Muslim) who married to the non-Muslim is considered Munafik and had Murtad (mostly if men). The only good thing I can say about my country is that is doesn't issue punishment according to Syariah and the Muslim have choice whether he want to stay or leave Islam (Murtad officially).

The funny thing is that if a Muslim refused to force his/her spouse to become a Muslim after marriage, it is usually the spouse (the non-Muslim)'s fault that the Muslim doesn't want to do it, like that the Muslim was forced by his/her spouse in doing so thus the non-Muslim is seen as an enemy of Islam as well (for misleading the Muslim).

Brahma's atheist · 11-30-2002, 01:27 AM

From sepharim

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. Strife in Kashmir.
2. Strife in Philiphines.
3. Strife in Mid-East countries (which I fed up with).
4. Kidnapping of varies foreigners from Malaysian waters by a Muslim extermist called Abu Sayyaf.
5. Taliban and their oppressed rules over Afghan.
6. Destruction of a 1,000 monuments - the Buddhist statues in Afghan.
7. Sept. 11 Attacks.

It does seem that wherever Islam goes it causes trouble. When it does establish itself somwhere like a parasite and the people become settled other muslims come along and cause trouble.They never advance, it's always going backwards.Look at the Phillipines. It is a powerhouse of the area as well as the most populus muslim country. The people who did the Bali bombing want to make the country an Afghanistan style utopia.
The biggest threat that these muslims pose is to other muslims.

Bible Humper · 11-30-2002, 07:51 AM

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My reply : Most of the information I receive/read was that Inquistordors were active in South American countries during 1700s, which is why I thought they have something with colonies.

By the looks of the way you misspelt "Inquistodors", I believe that you were thinking of "Conquistadors".

Judging by the fact that you have somehow never even heard of the inquisitions in Europe, is Malaysia's education system and media by any chance influenced by Catholicism?

12-01-2002, 09:26 PM

"By the looks of the way you misspelt "Inquistodors", I believe that you were thinking of "Conquistadors".

Judging by the fact that you have somehow never even heard of the inquisitions in Europe, is Malaysia's education system and media by any chance influenced by Catholicism? "

My reply : Nope, they do not, matter a fact, it is more toward covering for Islam than it does for Christianity.

The reason for my lack of information on European History could be that my country's education system do not push the students to study them too much, other than the history of the region in general.

echidna · 12-02-2002, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Seraphim:
<strong>My reply : Acceptable. Question now - What are we supposed to do with this situation? Do we fight or do we be peaceful with them? The world seems to be coming to a crosspoint in this issue, it seems. As for me, I already decided to fight in my own ways.</strong>

Seraphim, I've run with this question because I've always been somewhat fascinated by the problems faced by Malaysia.

I would expect you have something to contribute at this thread ...

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11-29-2002, 05:27 PM	#52
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	"No he doesnot. Here is another viewpoint,from : " My reply : Thank you, madam. I was wondering why Turkey (being Islamic country) was so tolerant toward cases such as this. Even in my country where 30% - 40% of the populations are non-Muslims, it is against Syariah to have a non Muslim marry a Muslim and remain as a non Muslim. Such marriage is not acceptable in Syariah Court later and the person (Muslim) who married to the non-Muslim is considered Munafik and had Murtad (mostly if men). The only good thing I can say about my country is that is doesn't issue punishment according to Syariah and the Muslim have choice whether he want to stay or leave Islam (Murtad officially). The funny thing is that if a Muslim refused to force his/her spouse to become a Muslim after marriage, it is usually the spouse (the non-Muslim)'s fault that the Muslim doesn't want to do it, like that the Muslim was forced by his/her spouse in doing so thus the non-Muslim is seen as an enemy of Islam as well (for misleading the Muslim).

12-01-2002, 09:26 PM	#55
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	"By the looks of the way you misspelt "Inquistodors", I believe that you were thinking of "Conquistadors". Judging by the fact that you have somehow never even heard of the inquisitions in Europe, is Malaysia's education system and media by any chance influenced by Catholicism? " My reply : Nope, they do not, matter a fact, it is more toward covering for Islam than it does for Christianity. The reason for my lack of information on European History could be that my country's education system do not push the students to study them too much, other than the history of the region in general.

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