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Old 04-01-2002, 11:10 AM   #1
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Creationist presents his seminars
<a href="http://www.observer-reporter.com/320953363759798.bsp" target="_blank">http://www.observer-reporter.com/320953363759798.bsp</a>

Creationism' in schools attacked
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Government urged to review Ofsted over creationism
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<strong>Creationist presents his seminars
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He answered, "My credentials are in law enforcement and emergency medical training - not science. But you don't have to be a Ph.D. to understand the science behind creation.
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It is simple enough to understand. However there are scientists such as Dr. Duane Gish, formerly a staunch evolutionist, who now, after years of research, debates the evolution vs. creation issue on the side of creation."

yeah right. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Creationism' in schools attacked
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""It is unacceptable to allow creationism to be taught as superior when teaching science in state schools. It makes a mockery of scientific knowledge," said Mr Willis."

There's hope!

Government urged to review Ofsted over creationism
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Old 04-01-2002, 11:25 AM   #3
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Sigh. Those poor children. Teachers really need to take a stand and combat such extracurricular education. At least I know that I'll never have to worry about loosing my job to one of them.

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Old 04-01-2002, 12:35 PM   #4
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"It is simple enough to understand. However there are scientists such as Dr. Duane Gish, formerly a staunch evolutionist, who now, after years of research, debates the evolution vs. creation issue on the side of creation."

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What did you find so unbelievable about the above statements? If it is about Gish being a staunch evolutionist before, that is bs! I believe he was raised baptist and never had a conversion like Lumsden, etc.

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What did you find so unbelievable about the above statements? If it is about Gish being a staunch evolutionist before, that is bs!
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I agree. Gish was always a cretinist and not one to do actual research. Through I suppose he must have done some for his thesis.
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I agree. Gish was always a cretinist and not one to do actual research. Through I suppose he must have done some for his thesis.</strong>
Huh??? Haven't you ever seen <a href="http://www.icr.org/creationscientists.html" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/creationscientists.html</a>
Click on Biological scientists and see his bio. It has a link to his vitae which shows he has done plenty of research.

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Huh??? Haven't you ever seen <a href="http://www.icr.org/creationscientists.html" target="_blank">http://www.icr.org/creationscientists.html</a>
Click on Biological scientists and see his bio. It has a link to his vitae which shows he has done plenty of research.

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Why should I believe a bunch of lying idiots like those at the ICR?
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Why should I believe a bunch of lying idiots like those at the ICR?</strong>
Pub Med shows they are not lying. I could see if they listed only one place of work for him, but do you actually think they are lying about Cornell, Berkley, and Upjohn????

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Pub Med shows they are not lying.
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I could see if they listed only one place of work for him, but do you actually think they are lying about Cornell, Berkley, and Upjohn????
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Didn't notice any names on their site.
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How's that?</strong>
Searching for Gish DT displays some of the papers listed at ICR.
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I could see if they listed only one place of work for him, but do you actually think they are lying about Cornell, Berkley, and Upjohn????
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Didn't notice any names on their site.
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Click on the link under his bio for accomplishements, etc.

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