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Old 01-29-2003, 01:52 PM   #1
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OK, I didn't have much time when writing that last utterance.

Of course there are cases where ending the suffering (as humanely as possible) is best, or cases where treatment may do more harm than good. But I belive the topic here, is parents who refuse to allow medical assitance purely on religious grounds. They are scum and deserve to die.
What if I believe that life is something precious, fleeting but precious, and that my child shouldn't have to remain on life support with no chance of survival without it? My religious belief means no long-term artificial life support--therefore unplugging my child is a decision made purely on religious grounds. Is it invalid because of the grounds I stand on (religion) to make the final (socially acceptable) decision?

As for being scum and deserving to die--are you suggesting that people deserve death for their religious beliefs? How kind of you. It's so much easier to exterminate people who are different from you than to work with them to a mutual understanding and goal.

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Let’s discuss this post, ybnormal, since this seems to be what you are referencing here and derailing a very good thread in the process. I’m replying to VonEvilstein’s previous post.

The sentence in question (in bold) is referring to VonEvilstein’s post where he says
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They are scum and deserve to die.
in response to parents who choose to deny medical aid to their children based on religious beliefs.

I am being sarcastic by inferring that he believes in death to those who believe differently from him. My, again sarcastic, conclusion is that yes, it is so much easier to wish people dead than to work with them. That is what I’m inferring from VonEvilstein’s post. VonEvilstein is not a believer, I assume, therefore my conclusion would be something that applies to this particular non-believer. Not myself. Not fellow Christians.

Your rebuttal that my statement is a Christian mission statement is false. My statement refers to the conclusions I drew (can we say it again, Sarcastically) about Von Evilstein’s view that people who deny their children medical treatment based on religious views deserve death.

My second post in response to you was, you guessed it, SARCASTIC. Completely and utterly. You were so far out in left field about my previous response, that I didn’t think that a rebuttal was necessary because it was so ludicrous. Apparently a detailed response was necessary.

I decided to make a new thread because the other thread was about parents who deny their children medical attention based on religious beliefs (not on the efficacy of prayer or Christian mission statements, as you seemed to believe).

What more do you want to know about the sentence in bold that was part of my earlier post?

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Old 01-29-2003, 04:21 PM   #2
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I could not have been more clear and explicit regarding the simple question I asked for understanding... all you had to do was answer it or ignore it there.

I can't imagine what gave you the idea I had other questions...

Since a Mod posted after us and didn't seem bothered, I don't quite see the need for your self-moderation, but I can tag along... I have no false pride.

However, I ain't too sure it's my job to copy the same question over here, again, when I think I have already made my point quite clear over there.

You know the question and you can answer it if you want to. It's a very simple question that I've already repeated.

I don't have a clue why you would want to start a new thread, then talk about the other thread's topic here, when your initial reasoning was that I was somehow off topic over there. IOW, wouldn't the issue of xians killing their children be just as off topic here, as you claim my question was over there?

I see no need to complicate the simplicity of the following...

You made a statement that Rufus called, ...wildernesse's codification of an atheist's viewpoint.

I said something that amounts to, "that describes christianity."

I then explained my reasoning and asked for comments on whether or not I was being factual.

Now, why it is that you seem to have had a problem with my sorta saying, "you too", in response to your statement, only you can possibly know.

All that said, I don't see how I have anything else to add, until you respond to my question.

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I think that your questions rest on the idea that my previous statement describes Christianity. It does not, in my view. I hope that it does not accurately describe the views of VonEvilstein.

Apparently, I can't understand what I'm discussing either here or there and you're welcome to ignore me. from now on since I'm full of nonsense.
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