Amie

Mine is probably worse so you are in good company
People who correct other peoples spelling and grammatical errors need to get a life...just my opinion. Sorry all you spelling Nazis out there...

The AntiChris

I think you meant "people's".

beyelzu

amie,

i wasnt arguing that chrisitians help others to score points. i was arguing that christians consider not effectiveness but motivation. sorry about generalizations. but who do you consider to be more moral or a better human being. nikolai tesla(inventor of the a/c motor and radio) or mother theresa. louis pasteur or the pope?

abe smith

Uh. Although I am not a christian nor any kind of theist >>>> whose "God" asserts "Judgement is mine"; uh, my own unsup-ported opinion is that judging our fellow-humankind probably isn't a role which anyone has assigned to us..... except for those judiciarists who indeed have been *appointed* to judge others...
Probably I myself opine that *I* ought rather to be busy with other sorts of activities...... Oh, yeh; Christians have Their Lord's (alleged) dictum, about motes & beams.... And another , the Christophers's I guess >>>> "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."

Amie

Hi Beyelzu
okay no problem. Its strange because I have had some people say to me that they believe that many christians do positive things because of the afterlife rewards.
I don't consider any of them "better" than one another. As far as morality goes, thats a tough one. I am not really in a position to say which one is more "moral" I really do not think that an individual's worth should be based on accomplishments and achievements. I think we are all valuable in many ways. It is my opinion that one person is no more valuable than another, they are simply valuable in different ways. Its not about being a better person than someone else, it's about being different. I wish I could somehow convey my thoughts better on this. I think that each person has gifts to give the world. Some go through life exploring those gifts and some go through life afraid to reach for the things we are all capable of giving but ultimately there are many lessons that we can learn. It is my personal belief that we are all here for a reason...
Amie~

Arrowman

<Sticks head in door>

I agree that it is fairly pointless to try and debate whether Bill Gates (or anyone else) is "better" than some other person based on some measure of how much they have helped other people. So I won't go there.

But I will say this:

1. Christians helping others is not about "scoring points". It's about being a "good" (whoops!) and compassionate human being. The "scoring points" thing is based on a misunderstanding by non-Christians of Christian beliefs (as far as you can generalise).

2. Let's please not use Mother Teresa as an example of someone who "helped others". She helped noone; her entire ministry was about promulgating her particular bizarre and primitve theology.

<Lights blue touch paper, retires behind tree.>

beyelzu

arrowman, i already said that i dont think that christians help others to score points. i was arguing that the christian value system generally lauds endeavors that are for "spiritual" reasons and do not pay attention to the achievements of a secular nature particularly when those achievements are for profit. also i may have mentioned. i dont think that helping others makes someone a better person. i think being self willed and self reliant. a egoist. makes someone a better person.

i was trying to point out that from a judeochristian perspective, the pursuit of financial gain has helped more people than simple charity has. as far as mother theresa goes, i didnt realize she had bizarre beliefs and that she didnt help people. i think that many people use her as some sort of quintessential help the poor kind of example.

unfortunately, amie, the only way we have to judge people is based on their accomplishments. i dont think we can look into their hearts unless we know them personally.

amie, i think that the one thing we might be able to agree on. the most important thing for a person is to be an individual?

i certainly believe this.

Amie

well I think she did help people.
I agree and to be true to oneself. I think the most important things in life are love and knowledge...

beyelzu

i honestly dont know that much about mother theresa.

Thor Q. Mada

There as been a thread on this forum specifically exposing "Mother" Theresa.