Seraphim

Well, let's see. Have you ever been so depressed you literally could not think straight? Depression is a hard master.

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People deal with things differently. Perhaps you ought to practice a modicum of tolerance and come to understand this and "walk a mile in their shoes" before you pass judgement.

My reply : Hmph ... this is another reason why I hate this topic ... too many EXCUSE for people who are more keen to finding excuses than reason for their behaviours.

You say I don't know how it feels to be depressed? How it feels to be someone different? Someone who been called a freak?

Nonsense ... You don't know yourself or me, you only know excuses which suits your need.

Trying living for 30 years as a freak - with strange "abilities" which others are afraid of. Trying living with "friends" who called you a "crazy" person all because you told him/her that you could see strange appraitions or predict future events through dreams (and IT comes true).
Ever try to get accepted by your "friends" after you demonstrated your ability to read their mind (and suceeded) only for them to look at you in a weird way and run to their mummies because their little minds cannot understand how another person could tell them word for word each thing they are thinking?

BOY ... you only know how it feels to be depressed, you should trying living with it for 30 years ... ALONE with no friends other than books and your own imaginations, in need of friendship but afraid to reach out since everything you did that, all you get is a word "Freak" or "Crazy boy" in return.

Depression is never hard to master, all they need is someone to talk to, someone you willing to open up slowly and also something for you to cherish. For me, it was a few friends I had during the last 30 years and my Martial Art skills which accompanied me.
Find what you like and with that, go and master your depression because if you try to push it away, you will sink into it deeper and deeper.

Yes, people deals with depression differently, but accepting something stupid like death as a way to deal with the problem IS not the solution. Like I said before "Even IF you destroy this world, the world which you SEEK will not come."
Death may cure you of your depression, but it will gain you nothing in the end.

winstonjen

"When they've got nothing, they've got nothing to lose." When their life feels as though it's worth nothing, then they don't think much of losing their life. To them, life is slavery, and death is the ultimate freedom.

Seraphim

"When they've got nothing, they've got nothing to lose." When their life feels as though it's worth nothing, then they don't think much of losing their life. To them, life is slavery, and death is the ultimate freedom.

My reply : Nonsense ... this is why I call them cowards in the first place, because to them it is easier to just pop themselves and get it over with.

Death? Ultimate freedom? BS ...
Which fantasy book you get that load of crap from?

Ultimate Freedom? You know what the hell is freedom? Freedom is when you free your mind from been bound by your ego and emotion ... THAT is the ultimate freedom. Blowing your brain out does NOT achieve such feat.

Death is not freedom ... just an excuse. People who choose suicide do so because they are not capable of handling the pressure they are in or unable to find something useful to do with themselves. They think by killing themselves, they are FREE.

You are Free ... IF you think being fertilizer for maggots and future tree stumps as freedom. (Sarcasm).

winstonjen

Well...no fantasy book. Just from thinking. Death is freedom from obligation. No human can affect you again.

Seriously, do you REALLY want to live forever and grow older for all eternity?

That's YOUR definition of freedom. Other people see it another way.

OK...you obviously can deal with depression very easily. Good for you. But other people do not.

Some people might define it that way. But I think you're going a bit too far by calling depressed people cowards - that would probably make them more likely to commit suicide. They may not see suicide as cowardly, and commit the act to prove it to themselves (and those left behind). It won't matter to them whether they know about it.

Corgan Sow

My reply : Hmph ... this is another reason why I hate this topic ... too many EXCUSE for people who are more keen to finding excuses than reason for their behaviours.

You say I don't know how it feels to be depressed? How it feels to be someone different? Someone who been called a freak?

Nonsense ... You don't know yourself or me, you only know excuses which suits your need.

Trying living for 30 years as a freak - with strange "abilities" which others are afraid of. Trying living with "friends" who called you a "crazy" person all because you told him/her that you could see strange appraitions or predict future events through dreams (and IT comes true).
Ever try to get accepted by your "friends" after you demonstrated your ability to read their mind (and suceeded) only for them to look at you in a weird way and run to their mummies because their little minds cannot understand how another person could tell them word for word each thing they are thinking?

BOY ... you only know how it feels to be depressed, you should trying living with it for 30 years ... ALONE with no friends other than books and your own imaginations, in need of friendship but afraid to reach out since everything you did that, all you get is a word "Freak" or "Crazy boy" in return.

Depression is never hard to master, all they need is someone to talk to, someone you willing to open up slowly and also something for you to cherish. For me, it was a few friends I had during the last 30 years and my Martial Art skills which accompanied me.
Find what you like and with that, go and master your depression because if you try to push it away, you will sink into it deeper and deeper.

Yes, people deals with depression differently, but accepting something stupid like death as a way to deal with the problem IS not the solution. Like I said before "Even IF you destroy this world, the world which you SEEK will not come."
Death may cure you of your depression, but it will gain you nothing in the end.

"Boo-hoo, I bet nobody has a BETTER reason for suicide than my rant above..."

Take this story of an old girlfriend of mine and see if you can beat it. At early age by 5, she was forced to do labour in farm, chopping woods, picking vegetables, taking water from river. Absolutely no friends because she was too involved in labour. Always got beaten horrendously by her own father and even made her lose her virginity before her first period. At twelve, her own mother forced her into prostitution to clear scores with some loan sharks and two years later, ran away from home, only to be found, taken back and gang-raped by father's friends and chained for weeks in her own room.

She was fortunate some neighbours took pity of her and was relieved by social workers. She had great grades in school, but then jealous girls in her school bullied her. I can't even recalled how many horrendous stories she told me she was ostracized because of her grades (one of the very few smart girls in a school overrun by mainly social deliquents). I met her two years ago and I was only began to try make her life easier when she was cheated by her "best friend" into a pub, and gang-raped by her friends. The last time we met, she avoided me because she thought I will take advantage of her again like her best friend. Few days later, she slit her own wrists and bled to death.

Now see if you can beat this one. And she was only 19 when she died. Better, I want you to call her an idiotic whore who made stupid decisions when she is better off being fed by wolves (sarcasm, duh)

winstonjen

The tragedy of that case is that it is a reason for revenge as well as a reason for suicide. :boohoo:

Feather

Wow, what spectacular insight you have.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. And I stand by it, too. I think you make shit up in order to advance yourself as an authority. Such as this:

And this:

And this:

These things are all non-real. They don't happen in the real world. If your claims are true, perhaps you might give a demonstration for us here. Otherwise you're no different from John Edwards.


No, I never claimed to be the only person to know how it feels to be depressed. I did claim that people deal with depression differently. Depression is often the result of chemical imbalances in the brain (brought on for various reasons). It's not the result of spineless unwillingness to "go on" or accept things as they are and "suck it up." It's not a conscious, active decision a person makes to be depressed. And the actions of a depressed person--or any person with mental instability, for that matter--are by definition not rational. That's why it's called a 'mental disorder.'

Wow! Is that all? I wonder if you truly had such an agonizing childhood as you claim. I'd be more inclined to believe you if you weren't so flippant about "having someone to talk to." Such friends can't be bought at the corner market.

Do me a favor and don't lecture me about how to deal with depression. I don't believe you've ever had to deal with it. Perhaps some other mental disorders with which I've no experience may apply in your case. Depression may have been a side-effect of them, even. But directly? Nah. I don't buy for an instant that you've dealt with it for even a moment.

Seraphim

Take this story of an old girlfriend of mine and see if you can beat it. At early age by 5, she was forced to do labour in farm, chopping woods, picking vegetables, taking water from river. Absolutely no friends because she was too involved in labour. Always got beaten horrendously by her own father and even made her lose her virginity before her first period. At twelve, her own mother forced her into prostitution to clear scores with some loan sharks and two years later, ran away from home, only to be found, taken back and gang-raped by father's friends and chained for weeks in her own room.

She was fortunate some neighbours took pity of her and was relieved by social workers. She had great grades in school, but then jealous girls in her school bullied her. I can't even recalled how many horrendous stories she told me she was ostracized because of her grades (one of the very few smart girls in a school overrun by mainly social deliquents). I met her two years ago and I was only began to try make her life easier when she was cheated by her "best friend" into a pub, and gang-raped by her friends. The last time we met, she avoided me because she thought I will take advantage of her again like her best friend. Few days later, she slit her own wrists and bled to death.

Now see if you can beat this one. And she was only 19 when she died. Better, I want you to call her an idiotic whore who made stupid decisions when she is better off being fed by wolves (sarcasm, duh)
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The tragedy of that case is that it is a reason for revenge as well as a reason for suicide.

My reply : Reason for revenge? Against who? Herself for being a weakling? Against her father and her oppressors? Guess what ... she didn't get her revenge nor anything else for that matter except 6 feet of cold, damp ground to lay in.

No one said life is easy. There is only one choice - stand and fight or lie and die. She was given a second chance when her neighbours came to her rescue, but threw it all the way when she allowed others to bully her once again.
To me, to stand and fight even so it is a fight I cannot win IS better than lie and get kicked every five minute, hoping that the next kick will end it all.


By Feather

Yes, that's what I'm saying. And I stand by it, too. I think you make shit up in order to advance yourself as an authority. Such as this:

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My reply : Sorry ... but I don't remember asking for your opinion about me. What you think about me is not important simply because you don't know sh!t about me.


These things are all non-real. They don't happen in the real world. If your claims are true, perhaps you might give a demonstration for us here. Otherwise you're no different from John Edwards.

My reply : Why should I bother demonstrating anything? So I could be called a Freak once again? Not enough to be called in the real world, I need to be called such in the Net as well?
NO ONE asked you to believe, nor did you bother to ask me to believe your story.
Who is John Edwards?

No, I never claimed to be the only person to know how it feels to be depressed. I did claim that people deal with depression differently. Depression is often the result of chemical imbalances in the brain (brought on for various reasons). It's not the result of spineless unwillingness to "go on" or accept things as they are and "suck it up." It's not a conscious, active decision a person makes to be depressed. And the actions of a depressed person--or any person with mental instability, for that matter--are by definition not rational. That's why it's called a 'mental disorder.'

My reply : Depression maybe mental disorder for YOU, but for me it just some over-induced emotional state brought by environment (and NOT some chemical running amok in your heads). People who are depressed can be cured by talking to them and doing things with them, they don't need to be poked with needless with chemicals which could alter their state of conscious even further.

Then again, maybe your opinion about this comes from reading books writen by people who sit behind benches and observing people instead of living their lives.

Wow! Is that all? I wonder if you truly had such an agonizing childhood as you claim. I'd be more inclined to believe you if you weren't so flippant about "having someone to talk to." Such friends can't be bought at the corner market.

My reply : Yes Boy, THAT is all there is to it. Depression comes from emotions locked inside a person who don't want to let it out because he (or she) afraid by doing so (or to someone else), he could be hurt even further by been labelled with words that hurt even more - such as freak or mad.
WHY do you think so many people (especially in Western world) goes to see a headshrink and lie down on a sofa to talk about their problem? Because the doctor going to give them candies?

Yes, friends cannot be brought at corner market. IF you want friends, go and find them. Look at their character- whether such friend is indeed caring and willing to help, and laid your problems slowly on him. Listen to him and ask and answer questions comes from him and when you have something to clear yourself.

Do me a favor and don't lecture me about how to deal with depression. I don't believe you've ever had to deal with it. Perhaps some other mental disorders with which I've no experience may apply in your case. Depression may have been a side-effect of them, even. But directly? Nah. I don't buy for an instant that you've dealt with it for even a moment.

My reply : WHY not? Because I don't crawl to one dark corner of the room and blame the world, society and God for whatever happening to me?
You said yourself that people deal with depression differently - I dealt with it MY WAY. Take it or leave it.

winstonjen

By revenge I obviously meant taking it out on her oppressors in ways OTHER than suicide. Although once she's dead, she obviously can't be raped anymore (unless her parents are also necrophilliacs, and in any case, there is no pain after death).

What "Second Chance??!!"

Are we getting through to you at all?!!? :banghead: :banghead:

Her best friend BETRAYED her. Are you saying she should trust no one? Perhaps her neighbours only gave her hope in order to dash it to pieces. Perhaps that is what you're saying.

On the contrary. In Feather's defence, we can learn a lot about you by how you chat and treat others on the Internet.

Why would we believe your claim without proof? Some 'mind-readings' are merely logical assumptions about what someone else is thinking at a given point in time.

Actually, I believe it has been proven that depression is an actual illness. I don't have any sources at the moment, though.

Fine. Just don't demand that everyone deal with depression your way. Drugs like Prozac have worked on people in the past.

My my. Someone who wants us to talk to reasonable friends won't even act reasonably to depressed people. :boohoo: Why call them cowards or wimps? Don't you realise that will make the problem worse?

Seraphim

By revenge I obviously meant taking it out on her oppressors in ways OTHER than suicide. Although once she's dead, she obviously can't be raped anymore (unless her parents are also necrophilliacs, and in any case, there is no pain after death).

My reply : Once she is dead, she also CANNOT feel how it is to feel of being loved, being hugged by another person who doesn't want anything from your body, how it feels to look into the face of someone who wants nothing but to be around you ... DOES SHE?
You say she took revenge, what I seek is that she did her oppressors a favour for not needing to clean up after they killed her and maybe made it easy for them to get away from Authorities.
How are you going to charge a person who induce another to commit suicide? Is there such laws in your country? Which punishment is more - for murder or for inducing someone to commit suicide (if the law exist)?


What "Second Chance??!!"

Are we getting through to you at all?!!?

Her best friend BETRAYED her. Are you saying she should trust no one? Perhaps her neighbours only gave her hope in order to dash it to pieces. Perhaps that is what you're saying.

My reply : Didn't I tell you to choose your friends carefully? There are people out there who will take advantage of you, which is why you should be careful who you choose as your friends.

One way is by seeing their reaction when you tell them your problem. Those who wants to take advantage of you will do anything to avoid helping you with your problem, because it is not worth their time.

The neighbours give what they can give, they cannot protect her all the time and any hope is better than nothing.
Which is better? Getting abused by your father or giving a second chance (not matter how small it maybe) by someone else? You choose.

On the contrary. In Feather's defence, we can learn a lot about you by how you chat and treat others on the Internet.

My reply : Hmph ... I doubt it ... then again, if that is your opinion, so be it.

Why would we believe your claim without proof? Some 'mind-readings' are merely logical assumptions about what someone else is thinking at a given point in time.

My reply : Did I ever ask you to believe me? I don't think so. I say what I have seen, heard and felt for the last 30 years, it can be true or false - for me it is true, for you - it maybe false.

Even if my "conditions" is nothing more than imbalance of chemicals in my brain and I had imagined (and still imagining it since I still have those abilities), then it only proves that I'm a mentally disable person. IF I (with this mental disorders) could live happily, WHY can't you? Why should you seek death to escape?

Actually, I believe it has been proven that depression is an actual illness. I don't have any sources at the moment, though.

My reply : No need ... I read some books on Psychology and have some basic ideas what you are talking about.
My approach however is from Eastern point of view which states that environment (people, conditions around us and our own family) is the course of depression and mental disorder (Taoism approach).
No one born mad, he or she is made that way by what surrounds him or her.

Fine. Just don't demand that everyone deal with depression your way. Drugs like Prozac have worked on people in the past.

My reply : Fine by me. Only two questions ...
1. How long will Prozac's effect last per day?
2. How long will you live with drugs as your support?

My my. Someone who wants us to talk to reasonable friends won't even act reasonably to depressed people. Why call them cowards or wimps? Don't you realise that will make the problem worse?

My reply : And since when did I say I will be your friend?
You want to know what I feel, ask me and I will answer truthfully, don't expect me to say you are brave and all that crap simply because you want to put a barrel up your butt and end it all.

In my opinion, it is better for me to call you a coward for such actions as suicide than help you pull the trigger by calling your brave.