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scombrid · 02-13-2002, 12:02 PM

He insists that ID is a theory.

He insists that a watch can't make itself.

Mount Rushmore is evidence of design since no such thing appears in nature.

If we went to another planet and found a car and knew for sure that no people preceded us there, we would assume that it was a product of intelligent life there. Therefore, when we see something as complex a cell we must assume a designer.

ID has nothing to do with religion.

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[ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: I just noticed that you can edit previous edit messages when you come back to do a second edit. I was just screwing around with it]

Oops another edit: I got the title of the program wrong. It was Talk of the Nation, not All Things Considered. Thanks John.

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James AD · 02-13-2002, 12:42 PM

I hope this guest is not going unchallenged.

scombrid · 02-13-2002, 12:48 PM

Yes they have an opposing view represented. Not to mention the host seemed to have given up the position of objective reporter and was herself asking questions in a skeptical manner

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tronvillain · 02-13-2002, 12:49 PM

scombrid:

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Huh?

John Solum · 02-13-2002, 01:18 PM

Michael Behe (along with Deborah Owens-Fink and Ernan McMullen) was on the NPR radio program Talk of the Nation today, but I missed it (I had to teach a lab).

You can listen to it here:

<a href="http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=02/13/20" target="_blank">http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=02/13/20</a>

ps418 · 02-13-2002, 03:13 PM

The only thing missing from the program was an opposing view that had some qualification in biology. But even at that, I didnt think Behe was very persuasive.

scombrid · 02-13-2002, 05:54 PM

I was kind of disappointed in the lack of biological opposition as well. None of the callers that I heard were well versed in biology either. Still he wasn't terribly convincing. I hate that he has gotten so far with his nonsense that he got an audience on a major national radio program.

dogwood · 02-13-2002, 06:24 PM

I couldn't get that link to work. If anyone else couldn't, try <a href="http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=02/13/2002&PrgID=5" target="_blank">here.</a> (About halfway down the page)

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Writer@Large · 02-14-2002, 05:52 AM

I think the most pathetic line was when Behe was challenged about his "God of the Gaps" mentality and he responded: "We have to be careful we don't have a 'Naturalism of the Gaps' mentality either," suggesting that just because we don't know how something happened, doesn't mean we should assume natural causes are at work.

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

How do you debate a mentality like that?

--W@L

MortalWombat · 02-14-2002, 05:58 AM

Too bad they couldn't get Dawkins on to oppose him. Dawkins was on Talk of the Nation a few years ago, and made mincemeat of every creationist who called in.

02-13-2002, 12:02 PM	#1
scombrid Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,759	Guess who's on Talk of the Nation right now He insists that ID is a theory. He insists that a watch can't make itself. Mount Rushmore is evidence of design since no such thing appears in nature. If we went to another planet and found a car and knew for sure that no people preceded us there, we would assume that it was a product of intelligent life there. Therefore, when we see something as complex a cell we must assume a designer. ID has nothing to do with religion. [ February 13, 2020: Message edited by: Bob Bitchin] [ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: I just noticed that you can edit previous edit messages when you come back to do a second edit. I was just screwing around with it] Oops another edit: I got the title of the program wrong. It was Talk of the Nation, not All Things Considered. Thanks John. [ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: scombrid ]</p>

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02-13-2002, 12:42 PM	#2
James AD Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Tabuco Canyon (Orange County), CA, USA Posts: 106	I hope this guest is not going unchallenged.

02-13-2002, 12:48 PM	#3
scombrid Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,759	Yes they have an opposing view represented. Not to mention the host seemed to have given up the position of objective reporter and was herself asking questions in a skeptical manner .

02-13-2002, 01:18 PM	#5
John Solum Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 139	Michael Behe (along with Deborah Owens-Fink and Ernan McMullen) was on the NPR radio program Talk of the Nation today, but I missed it (I had to teach a lab). You can listen to it here: <a href="http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=02/13/20" target="_blank">http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=02/13/20</a>

02-13-2002, 03:13 PM	#6
ps418 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Louisville, KY, USA Posts: 1,840	The only thing missing from the program was an opposing view that had some qualification in biology. But even at that, I didnt think Behe was very persuasive.

02-13-2002, 05:54 PM	#7
scombrid Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,759	I was kind of disappointed in the lack of biological opposition as well. None of the callers that I heard were well versed in biology either. Still he wasn't terribly convincing. I hate that he has gotten so far with his nonsense that he got an audience on a major national radio program.

02-13-2002, 06:24 PM	#8
dogwood Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: new orleans Posts: 61	I couldn't get that link to work. If anyone else couldn't, try <a href="http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=02/13/2002&PrgID=5" target="_blank">here.</a> (About halfway down the page) [ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: dogwood ]</p>

02-14-2002, 05:52 AM	#9
Writer@Large Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 7,198	I think the most pathetic line was when Behe was challenged about his "God of the Gaps" mentality and he responded: "We have to be careful we don't have a 'Naturalism of the Gaps' mentality either," suggesting that just because we don't know how something happened, doesn't mean we should assume natural causes are at work. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> How do you debate a mentality like that? --W@L

02-14-2002, 05:58 AM	#10
MortalWombat Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: St Louis area Posts: 3,458	Too bad they couldn't get Dawkins on to oppose him. Dawkins was on Talk of the Nation a few years ago, and made mincemeat of every creationist who called in.

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