pariah

It still seems to deify humanity to me. I'm not saying that its a horrible thing, I just see no need for it.

Anyway it seems all humanists have a different outlook on it, thanks for answering my questions.

I will stick with rationalism lol

Marduk

“Your path is clear pariahSS. Quit all humanity has offered you. Start with your computer and save us all the s**t.”

Wow, that’s quite a leap, the guy doesn’t want to bow at the altar of the talking ape so he must leave town? Should he be tarred and feathered as well? Blasphemer! PariahSS Blasphemer!

Secular Pinoy

I've read the manifestos a lot of times and it never seemed to me that humans are in any way deified (whatever you mean by that term) and that it supposedly follows that humanism is irrational. LadyShea has already asnwered your objection quite well.

Sabine Grant

I know.... as a theist expressing her opinion on Parriah's comments on humanism I may not hold much credibility.

I value humanism because its outcome is positive for the betterment of mankind. There is something humanitarian about humanism. It propels people to be involved. It takes people out of their comfort zone and motivates them to be concerned and engaged with others. That is of course if it becomes an application rather than an intellectualization. I respect humanism as a practical application.
It validates human beings. It focuses on the potential. It challenges.

Viti

Hello Sabine...there are theist humanist organizations as well, your views are credible

Grad Student Humanist

Damn right I value the lives of humans above the lives of other animals. That doesn't mean that humans should run rampant over the earth, but it does mean that I recognize that there is a difference between humanity and the lower animals.

Do you value the lives of humans and the lives of mosquitos equally? How about earthworms? Or sponges?

Magus55

You mean as oppose to telling them they descended from primordial sludge and chimps? As iv'e heard said on another board: goo-to-you;dust-to-us

Luiseach

lol! I like that phrase...very clever

Secular Pinoy

And which is why I prefer the AHA to the CSH, because the former is not antagonistic to religious humanists.

sodium

But isn't it possible that some people might believe, however mistakenly, that there is some position in between a god and a cockroach? To deify humanity, one would have to see us as gods. You haven't demonstrated that humanists do this.

There is no fundamental law of the universe that places humans above cockroaches. Nevertheless, it is part of what we mean when we talk about being a good person that this distinction is made.

BTW, I agree with every word in the Humanist Manifesto, provided I'm allowed to interpret it exactly how I want