Lone Wolf

Ok... enough of this nonsense. Of course there was a global flood... it just happened much differently than most are aware of.

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/ipuprophecy/wolftract1.html" target="_blank">The Truth About The Flood!</a>

Bubba

Aime, I'm enjoying this thread. You've got a lot of courage to come here and plead a case for biblical literalism in the earlier parts of Genesis. I sense your an awfully personable woman (unless your a man posting under a woman's name) and that I'd have enjoyed having you as a teacher if I was a sophomore in high school.

I'm really glad my earlier suspicions have prooven false.

However...

I want to see specific answers to some of these questions.

Also, you left my earlier question unanswered.

Exactly what evidence (if any) would make you abandon your belief in a literal Noah's ark and a literal worldwide flood.

Good luck. I'm enjoying this.

Bubba

Bubba

Unless your Ken Ham in which case it's a corruption of the original story.

After all, gilgamesh just HAD to be after Noah, right ?

Bubba

Bubba

Of course, If God can't lie then neither can his servants. Which means that Ham is obviously completely sincere and correct in this assertion, right?

Why, the finst scientists in the world belive in a recent flood <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Bubba

Maybe that pink uncorn of Wolf's did the dirty work after all.

Buffman

marduck

You leave my bugs alone!

I have been waiting for 'amie' to do some homework on this Noah's Ark myth before resorting to any biological questions. My point being that one need not know squat about biology in order to decimate the entire story...as has already been clearly demonstrated...many times before.

I guess it just saddens me to know that there might be a public school, science classroom, Biology teacher out there that is unable to differentiate between faith beliefs and science knowledge. I could care less what personal faith beliefs they wish to espouse on their own time. However, if that teacher can not, in good conscience, teach verifiable science in a public school science classroom, I do not want them near any student science instruction regardless of how many degrees then claim to have. It isn't a "fairness" issue. It is a factual issue. What are the facts?

So far, all I've seen is "Well maybe this is what happened." When I studied biology, we found out what happened and why. I am pleased to report that we now know that there is not a fully formed homunculus in the head of every spermatozoon. This knowledge has been a terrible blow to the worshippers of Priapus and a boon to those that believe that many forms of sexual expression are sinful.

<a href="http://www.cyberhaven.com/fb/priapus.html" target="_blank">http://www.cyberhaven.com/fb/priapus.html</a>

However, perhaps the following "myth" benefited...as, unfortunately, so many do.

<a href="http://www.whoosh.org/issue12/ruffel3.html#culture" target="_blank">http://www.whoosh.org/issue12/ruffel3.html#culture</a>

Radorth

Ah, no. In calm seas there are no bending loads. Ships are stressed to take the bending load when supported on each end. So at least the "...even in the calmest seas" part is a pagan myth. You guys shouldn't believe everything you read on those skeptics websites. You'll ruin your reputation.

Not that I believe the earth was flooded completely, and am basically on the skeptics' side as far as Genesis is concerned.

Radorth

Amie

ummm Buffman,
I am reading those threads. Congratulations you have written what is quite possibly one of the most close minded things I have ever read on this board. Keep it up and you'll join the ranks of 99percent. I am well able to differentiate faith from science. My faith has no evidence to support my belief, it does not require any. where as science does have evidence since it supports itself with fact (not pertaining to the flood, but science in general). I dont discuss Noahs ark in my classroom, nor the bible at all. that is ludicrous. Religion has not place in a public school. I teach biology not hebrew scriptures. The kids get science. I guess it just saddens me that somewhere out there in cyberspace there is some Chimera that can't differentiate what I say on this topic and what I teach in my classroom. Quite disheartening.

On to a lighter note, Bubba in regards to your question, well I first and foremost base my belief due to my faith. What would it take for me to not believe in the noah flood? get my friend Juan from Spain to fall in love with me and I'll re-think it no in all seriousness I am not so sure how to answer that question, it is an interesting question and I will give it some thought and get back to you. It is hard to answer since this is primarily a faith type issue. I suppose if God came to me and said "It never happened" I'd say Allrighty...I think when people look at situations that they have faith in or believe in, there are many times when you can find some answers and somehow justify your beliefs and if you dont have the faith you can also find the answers and justify that. I dont have all the answers Bubba, I wish I did. I acknowledge that sometimes my beliefs and my brain conflict because by nature I am a scientist, and yet I am a believer and I know that the two are great sources of conflict when used together...This topic really does not play such a big part in my life and aside from discussing it here, I really dont discuss it at all, let alone give it much thought. Interesting Archives on this...Thank you for the kind sentiments Bubba, I would have been happy to have you in my class
Amie

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Amie

Hi Tristan,
yes it is quite possible it was taken from either account of the earlier writings. No it is not so important that the flood story be true. I feel it was however I am only human and I could quite possibly be wrong. This is simply my perspective. With or without the flood I would still have my faith. I was raised Catholic so I was raised with the teachings of the flood story. Now had I been born into some African tribe I am fairly certain I would not be catholic, I'd probably be worshipping an elephant right now and not ever hearing of "Noah"...I did go through a period in my life where I left the church and questioned my beliefs, my faith and what not. However this is where I am at right now. Have a lovely night...
Amie~

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The Lone Ranger

Actually, I didn't get the information from either pagan sources or skeptics' websites.

I was going on a.) the physical properties of wood (specifically it's ability to resist compressive and tensile forces), and b.) the practical experience of shipbuilders who have tried to build ships of this size.

To date, even with the best technology available, all wooden vessels in the 300-foot range have been exceedingly unseaworthy even in the calmest of seas because wood simply can't handle the stress of the vessel's weight. As a result, these vessels leak like sieves and either fall apart, sink, or capsize (and then sink) in utterly calm water unless there is constant and heroic effort on the crew's part (using modern pumps) to keep them afloat. Even the slightest wave action will quickly destroy a wooden vessel of this size.

No one has succeeded in building a wooden vessel much larger than 300 feet or so in length that didn't collapse before it was even launched.

Cheers,

Michael

Amie

Hi Helen,
How are you? Yes I believe it was global. I am inclined to believe it was not a regional flood due to the covenant that God made with Noah and had the flood at the time been regional he would have broken that covenant many times since then. Also I feel if it was regional Noah and the animals would have simply just migrated. I know Helen, call me crazy sweets, but I believe it was a global flood. However dont get me started on the concept of hell, thats a whole different ballgame
Amie~