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notMichaelJackson · 08-09-2003, 07:52 PM

Will a Christian please explain how sin can be passed on from one generation to the next?

Rational BAC · 08-09-2003, 08:00 PM

That is real easy.========

It can't be.

Whoops--I guess you wanted a Fundy to answer.

Secular Pinoy · 08-09-2003, 09:42 PM

A recent thread at BC&H might be of interest to you.

SignOfTheCross · 08-09-2003, 09:43 PM

The sin of Adam destroyed our perfect communion with God. Hence, Adam lost the gifts that God had bestowed upon us (i.e. eternal life). Only through the Cross can we win it back.

Peace,
SOTC

notMichaelJackson · 08-09-2003, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by SignOfTheCross
The sin of Adam destroyed our perfect communion with God. Hence, Adam lost the gifts that God had bestowed upon us (i.e. eternal life). Only through the Cross can we win it back.

Peace,
SOTC

So my perfect communion has been destroyed by another person, and it is my fault. What a religion.

Magus55 · 08-09-2003, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by notMichaelJackson
So my perfect communion has been destroyed by another person, and it is my fault. What a religion.

One person's mistakes can have many consequences that affect more than just you. Lets say a woman has an abortion. She may only look at herself and the consequences, but maybe by aborting that baby, she prevented the baby from growing up and curing cancer, and helping people in need, which in turn affects the family of a cancer patient who are seeing the patient suffering. And then maybe someone that is dying from cancer, would have had a child that would have grown up to cure AIDS, but because the original woman aborted the child that would have cured cancer, allowing the cancer patient to have a baby that would grow up to cure AIDS, cures aren't found.

Obviously this is an exaggerated analogy, and assuming no one else could find a cure, but you get the point. Sin is a domino effect. One person's sin ripples through creation causing problems to alot more people than just themselves.

SignOfTheCross · 08-09-2003, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by notMichaelJackson
So my perfect communion has been destroyed by another person, and it is my fault. What a religion.

No, it is not that simple.

Peace,
SOTC

AJ113 · 08-09-2003, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
One person's mistakes can have many consequences that affect more than just you. Lets say a woman has an abortion. She may only look at herself and the consequences, but maybe by aborting that baby, she prevented the baby from growing up and curing cancer, and helping people in need, which in turn affects the family of a cancer patient who are seeing the patient suffering. And then maybe someone that is dying from cancer, would have had a child that would have grown up to cure AIDS, but because the original woman aborted the child that would have cured cancer, allowing the cancer patient to have a baby that would grow up to cure AIDS, cures aren't found.

Obviously this is an exaggerated analogy, and assuming no one else could find a cure, but you get the point. Sin is a domino effect. One person's sin ripples through creation causing problems to alot more people than just themselves.

It's not exaggerated, it's just poor. Does the woman's act result in all human kind being reduced to worthless piece of shit, damned for all eternity?

SignOfTheCross · 08-09-2003, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by AJ113
It's not exaggerated, it's just poor. Does the woman's act result in all human kind being reduced to worthless piece of shit, damned for all eternity?

No.

Peace,
SOTC

Milton · 08-09-2003, 11:09 PM

The way I see it, is that Adam did not die when the first person died, but since we are all linked, we all come from him, then we are him.

Many don't realize that Adams punishment had two sides of it. One was where his spirit person had become guilty of punishment, yet was able to be forgiven. While his physical person had been punished once and for all. Though he soul was forgiven, his flesh could not be renewed anymore. We only inherit the guilty of the flesh, but not that of the spirit. We are born with the flesh of Adam, but we are not born with the spirit of Adam.

So, in a way, some might say we inherit the sin of Adam, because we have inherited the punishment. But then we can't say the same about the spirit, because if we die as children, our soul is saved.

Okay, I am only giving what I have come to understand. I am not looking to argue about whether or not Adam existed, or if anything in the Bible is true. The question was about our belief of sin being passed down. So it has to be answered from the point of view of a Christian.

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Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	That is real easy.======== It can't be. Whoops--I guess you wanted a Fundy to answer.

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Secular Pinoy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 1,994	A recent thread at BC&H might be of interest to you.

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SignOfTheCross Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 167	The sin of Adam destroyed our perfect communion with God. Hence, Adam lost the gifts that God had bestowed upon us (i.e. eternal life). Only through the Cross can we win it back. Peace, SOTC

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Milton Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Atlanta,GA,USA Posts: 172	The way I see it, is that Adam did not die when the first person died, but since we are all linked, we all come from him, then we are him. Many don't realize that Adams punishment had two sides of it. One was where his spirit person had become guilty of punishment, yet was able to be forgiven. While his physical person had been punished once and for all. Though he soul was forgiven, his flesh could not be renewed anymore. We only inherit the guilty of the flesh, but not that of the spirit. We are born with the flesh of Adam, but we are not born with the spirit of Adam. So, in a way, some might say we inherit the sin of Adam, because we have inherited the punishment. But then we can't say the same about the spirit, because if we die as children, our soul is saved. Okay, I am only giving what I have come to understand. I am not looking to argue about whether or not Adam existed, or if anything in the Bible is true. The question was about our belief of sin being passed down. So it has to be answered from the point of view of a Christian.

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