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livius drusus · 04-13-2003, 05:43 PM

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This is my last post on this thread.

See that it is.

pz · 04-13-2003, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by GeoTheo
Well heres the thing with Helen, not that anybody cares what I have to say, If I vehemently disagree with Helen, as I have in the past, atheists on here jump all over me because she is mentally ill.
So basically that gives Helen liscence to say what ever she wants to anyone and not be held accountable. Basically, Helen wants all atheists to like her. She used to be a lot nastier to Christians that posted on here. She seems to have toned down a bit and actually seems to halfway defend Christian doctrine. It used to be that she came on here to bash Christians and she found a lot of sympathetic souls, obviously.
She was everybody's favorite Christian for a while.

I think you ought to avoid speaking for other people, whether it is Helen or all of the atheists here. You aren't very good at it.

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I found this op repulsive. I stated my opinion on it. Then Helen gets on me. Like I said she has toned down, but it reminded me of her past behavior when she used to be a lot nastier to any Christian she felt was being judgemental and would attack people and was immune to any attack in return on acount of her illness. As far as all you people with your phony righteous indignation, swinging does not help a marriage. It scars people emotionally and destroys relationships.

I'm sure that is true for many people. Personally, I'm a very monogamous kind of guy, so it wouldn't work for me. Others may have a completely different attitude -- I'm not going to tell others how their relationship must operate.

By the way, I think christianity "scars people emotionally and destroys relationships." Some people, and some relationships.

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Just because all of you guys get turned on by lesbianism doesn't make it good.

Boy, you suck at this mindreading business. I don't get turned on by lesbianism. Neither do I get turned off by people who happen to love each other in ways that I don't share, unlike you.

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This is my last post on this thread. Blondegoddess doesn't want godly advice, she wants advice from profligates,

That's a most uncharitable interpretation. I think she wants to be happy, and the impression I get is that she wants to be happy with her husband.

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and saccharine Christians who will support her in everything she does as she deconverts from Christianity and destroys her marriage and family and tell her how brave she is.

I think she is brave to deconvert. This business about destroying her marriage and family is just your bitter spin on the situation. Does it really burn you up so badly to see someone spurn your superstition and seek satisfaction that you can't have, because you are shackled in your straightjacket version of christianity?

viscousmemories · 04-13-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by GeoTheo
Well heres the thing with Helen, not that anybody cares what I have to say, If I vehemently disagree with Helen, as I have in the past, atheists on here jump all over me because she is mentally ill.

I don't even know anything about HelenM's mental condition. I responded as I did because her comments to BG were more rational, reasonable, and supportive than your reply to her. This last post of yours does nothing to dissuade me from that belief.

beth · 04-13-2003, 06:08 PM

GeoTheo, first off, Helen wrote what she did, the way she did simply because I emailed her in detail about the whole situation. I also gave her my thoughts and told her of my moral standard. She already knew what would be decided, so she tried to support me in my decision, but she also let me know she wouldn't judge me for it(non-judgementalism, a Christian trait? Go figure).

Helen is a Christian whom I can speak to honestly and tell her how I feel about many believers and my ill-adventures with them without her being offended(I hope). I also try to support her in her religious things and beliefs. She seems like a golden person to me and I think she did not deserve what you wrote.

Helen also understands the situation behind me getting drunk that night. She knows a little of what sent me over the edge. Since you don't know, I don't handle getting cussed out by my mother simply because I don't measure up to her standards for me.

Lay off her and I think you owe her an apology, both publicly and privately.

HelenM · 04-13-2003, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by GeoTheo
Helen,

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You told BlondeGoddess "Good luck in whatever you and your husband decide"
I think you should examine yourself.
To me that translates that you support her in whatever she decides. If she decides to commit fornication and defile her marriage bed she has your blessing? If she gets a divorce and goes on to persue a homosexual lifestyle she has your blessing?
I don't think you are doing her any good. She herself seems to understand my point and she also seems to understand that if she and her husband had a threesome their marriage would be over. These self righteous Guys on here that think they are being all supportive, are just following their base sexual impulses and taking voyeuristic pleasure in her posting on her and making a fool out of herself. They are not friends either.

Actually, GeoTheo, that comment wasn't about the topic of this thread; it was in reference to bg asking for suggestions about where to go last night when she and her husband had an evening without the children. She posted about that in another thread. So in reference to that I said "Good luck, whatever you decide to do".

And in other threads she's made it clear that she cares about her marriage. I'm sure she wouldn't do anything to jeopardize it unless it becomes abusive and unsafe for her. I hope not - I'm just saying there is a point where I'd advise any wife to go somewhere safe.

Maybe you're different but - personally I don't expect people who don't believe in God to care what someone says God thinks about anything. Why would they?

On the other hand, I do expect Christians to at least be trying to live up to what they say they believe God expects of them and that's why I have confronted them on occasion on these boards.

Anyway, the bottom line is I consider bg to be a friend even though I only know her online. I'm a bit confused why you would upbraid her for her posts and not all the other non-Christians here. Between you and Rad and her family, she sure seems to get picked on...well, I want to be supportive as best I can, regardless of what you think I should or shouldn't say. I'm accountable, anyway. All my posts here are public; my real name is on them. I'm not hiding anything.

I just got back from a 3 1/2 hour Good Friday/Easter Sunday musical drama rehearsal

so if you don't mind, I'll end here for now...

Helen

p.s. edited to add: thanks bg

beth · 04-13-2003, 06:27 PM

Wow! Three and a half hour practice? I know you'll do great, happy for ya.

lunachick · 04-13-2003, 07:27 PM

Golly-gee! That GeoTheo is a lovely bloke, isn't he?

pz · 04-13-2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by lunachick
Golly-gee! That GeoTheo is a lovely bloke, isn't he?

He's a good christian.

lunachick · 04-13-2003, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by pz
He's a good christian.

I'm sure Fred Phelps would think so; but, I wonder if Christ would?

Out of respect for pz - the man I'm replying to - I'll avoid my usual wanton use of smilies. ...And it ain't easy.

christ-on-a-stick · 04-13-2003, 08:08 PM

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Just because all of you guys get turned on by lesbianism doesn't make it good.

Alternately, just because...er, someone apparently gets all turned on by lesbianism but is deeply ashamed of it due to years of cult indoctrination and therefore feels compelled to project this fascination onto *everybody* else - doesn't make it bad.

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beth Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: where orange blossoms bloom... Posts: 1,802	GeoTheo, first off, Helen wrote what she did, the way she did simply because I emailed her in detail about the whole situation. I also gave her my thoughts and told her of my moral standard. She already knew what would be decided, so she tried to support me in my decision, but she also let me know she wouldn't judge me for it(non-judgementalism, a Christian trait? Go figure). Helen is a Christian whom I can speak to honestly and tell her how I feel about many believers and my ill-adventures with them without her being offended(I hope). I also try to support her in her religious things and beliefs. She seems like a golden person to me and I think she did not deserve what you wrote. Helen also understands the situation behind me getting drunk that night. She knows a little of what sent me over the edge. Since you don't know, I don't handle getting cussed out by my mother simply because I don't measure up to her standards for me. Lay off her and I think you owe her an apology, both publicly and privately.

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lunachick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 7,895	Golly-gee! That GeoTheo is a lovely bloke, isn't he?

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