Brahma's atheist

being a creationist, in any faith, is an excerise in being blind, ignorant and arrogant. Blindness:- anyone who has open eyes can see the world and universe has been created many times, in many ways and in every part of the world. eg, India and the universe was created by Brahma or Indra depending; N.America and universe was created by The Great Spirit; the middle east was created many times by many different cultures, including the Egyptions, Sumerians, Babylonians. Ignorant because most people simply know nothing about the world outside their tiny minds or borders. Arrogant because people impose their fantasies(their Gods and creations) on the rest of the world.Christians are the obvious perpetrators here. The only reality is what science shows because it comes from evidence and thinking.

Oolon Colluphid

Bravo Sid, and welcome to the boards!

Maybe you'd like to introduce yourself in the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=43&SUBMIT=Go" target="_blank">Welcome forum</a>? Where 'bouts in England are you?

Cheers, Oolon

Quetzal

Oh, great. Another Brit.

[Edited to add: Welcome, Sid!]

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Joe Nobody

What do you mean by science? I don't think you mean science in its most germane sence of subject to weight and maesurement because I would then be forced to ask: Can historians scientifically reconstruct the past accurately? But if you mean systematic thinking or methodological activity then obviously you open up the doorway that truth can be ascertained through religious venues as well as thrrough strict scientific ones:

A Christian perspective:

Religious belief certainly involves systematic thinking and evidence. Not everyone thinks logically or systematically but this does not invalidate religious thinking as a whole. If thinking people didn't have "reasons" to believe things then they wouldn't. Its like a motionless ball on a flat surface. It won't roll unless acted upon by an outside force (compliments of Sir Isaac Newton). Likewise, for some reason atheists lack belief in specific deities. They posit there is no evidence and that is their reason I would think. Some theists posit there is evidence while others maintain blind faith and probably believe because of emotional reasons or because that is how they were raised, or possibly a "transofrmation/salvation experience". Of course, in Christianity's case, I think a strong biblical argument can be made against blind faith. Though the general Christian community seems not to know that.

Going back to the original point of this and addding some humor:

Here is a Cocktail Party Conversations by Tony Rothman PhD in 'Instant Physics' 1995, p.p. 236-7.

A physicist is wearing a "Physics is all there Is" T-shirt and is surrounding by admirers, You, wearing a "Cosmology Takes GUTS" T-shirt, appraoch.

You: Do you really believe your T-Shirt?
Physicist: Of course. Everything is based on physics. Everything stems from the interactions of the fundamental particls through the four known forces.

You: And once you have a theory of everything you will explain everything?
Physicist: Thats the idea.

You: Like the four forces?
Physicist: Absolutely.

You: Like why you like bagels?
Physicist: Well--

You: Or why people fall in love?
Physicist: Well, in principle it's all got to be a result of physics.

You: Isn't it going to be pretty tough for a Theory of Everything to calculate why people fall in love?
Physicist: That's just a practical difficulty.

You: Is it? Don't things like chaos and the Heisenbeg uncertainty principle put a theoretical limit on what you can calculate?
Physicist: That is true--

You: So how can you even consider calculating why you like a bagel? Isn't this in principle impossible?
Physicist: Well, um, I'm not sure. Probably.

You: So your theory of everything can't explain why I prefer cream cheeese, no lox--
Physicist: But--

You:-- or why Central Europe has fragmented, or why Andy Warhol got even 15 minutes, or why the NRA always misquotes the Second Amendment, or the sound of mountain streamss, or--
Physicist: Okay, okay, maybe its a Theory of Almost Everything--
Physicist:-- a Theory of a Few Things--

You:-- or why junk sells, or--
Physicist (moving off) : A Theory of a Couple of Things?

You: -- or why terrorist activities--
Physicist (continuingto move away) : A Theory of More Than Nothing? A Semi-Grand Unified Theory? An Impressive Attempt to Unify Physics? A Failed Attempt at Advertising Physics? An Excuse to Stop Doing Physics? The Theory That Will End Funding. . . .

You: A bagel and cream cheese, please.

I thought it was humorous.

Joe Nobody