Proxima Centauri

A few months ago little Gemma Therese
started a topic with the title,
"YOU WILL BE PLEASED TO KNOW...that I am having doubts abouat the existence of God."
Now she keeps saying that her faith is so strong.
Gemma, will you ever be honest with us?
Gemma, Will you ever be rational or consistent?

Gemma Therese

Fidelity, B. Shack. Fidelity.

Gemma Therese

Eudaimonist

Fidelity to reason and reality should take precedence over fidelity to an ideology or a someone. By saying that a thousand atheist arguments could never persuade you, clearly you have inverted these priorities.

Gemma Therese

Fidelity to God, who is ultimate Reason, Reality, and Truth, seems OK to me.

Gemma Therese

Darwin's Finch

So you think that by defining God as "ultimate Reason, Reality, and Truth" you should not be held accountable for failing to explore any of them?

Amos

Good point, but are you convinced that searching for human intelligence is the right way? Ultimate Reason is Pure Reason and Pure Reason is void of intuition to make our human search for this a never ending search.

An argument can be made that the Ultimate Form is the culmination of the daily forms just as our daily ousia's culminate in the Parousia or the daily masses culminate in the Christ-mass. I think maybe Gemma is on to something.

Daggah

See, fcuk? This is why faith is not something to be admired.

Faith is idiocy.

Eudaimonist

Yup, faith is seriously fcuked up.

Darwin's Finch

Amos: "Good point, but are you convinced that searching for human intelligence is the right way? Ultimate Reason and Pure Reason is void of intuition to make our human search a never ending search."

Frankly, Amos, such Platonisms as "Ultimate Reason" and "Pure Reason" leave me cold. You want to posit a realm devoid of the messy details of intuition (or serious research, it seems), but you don't supply any compelling reason why I should take seriously any of your sophisms. The last time I checked, those messy details -- you know, "intuition", "inference", "human-all-too-human reason" -- were doing quite well. I understand that your M.O. is to throw out a bunch of sub-Platonic (or mystic, if you prefer) posts, more or less incomprehensible to the rest of us, and let that stand as your substitute for a real argument.

The issue here is whether Gemma and Sabine have adequately presented their cases. Your obfuscations don't advance their cases one bit.

Amos: "An argument can be made that the Ultimate Form is the culmination of the daily forms just as our daily ousia's culminate in the Parousia or the daily masses culminate in the Christ-mas. I think Gemma maybe is onto something."

Great. Start a thread and give us the benefit of your mystic view of the Christ. (Intuition, inference, reason, and evidence welcome.) Of course!

atheist_in_foxhole

How can you NOT?! She's obviously been brainwashed like so many others. Her posts scare the crap out of me.