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Magazine · 11-26-2002, 05:35 AM

It may be a challenge to come up with reasons for an atheist should convert (though Gemma has done a pretty good job of that). But how can you still think of Catholicism as harmful after reading her posts? I can't.

babelfish · 11-26-2002, 05:50 AM

Can you please quote some instances in which GT was particularly persuasive? I must have missed those posts....

Magazine · 11-26-2002, 06:03 AM

In the "Where was God" thread, where it says, "If God can be disproved through events of extreme suffering, why can he not be proved through events of extreme altruism?"

Darwin's Finch · 11-26-2002, 06:05 AM

You found that persuasive?

Magazine · 11-26-2002, 06:10 AM

Yes. If bad things in the world count against God, then good things count for him. Either it is wrong to say that there is no evidence for God, or it is wrong to say that evil is evidence against him.

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babelfish · 11-26-2002, 06:17 AM

That would be a very persuasive argument for a weak, or evil, or stupid god.

Not for one who is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient, or omni- anything.

MortalWombat · 11-26-2002, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by Magazine:
<strong>If bad things in the world count against God, then good things count for him.</strong>

Do you really want to take that argument to its logical conclusion? The way I see it, if that's the case, then all we are left with is a fickle god whose actions are indistinguishable from random chance.

Ut · 11-26-2002, 06:20 AM

I need more dependable friends than God.

penumbra · 11-26-2002, 06:48 AM

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It may be a challenge to come up with reasons for an atheist should convert (though Gemma has done a pretty good job of that). But how can you still think of Catholicism as harmful after reading her posts? I can't.

You're joking, right? You can't really be serious about either those statements, can you?

Mageth · 11-26-2002, 06:54 AM

Yes. If bad things in the world count against God, then good things count for him. Either it is wrong to say that there is no evidence for God, or it is wrong to say that evil is evidence against him.

So the two cancel out, giving a net sum of zero. Therefore, god doesn't exist.

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Magazine Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 40	Why haven't you listened to Gemma Therese? It may be a challenge to come up with reasons for an atheist should convert (though Gemma has done a pretty good job of that). But how can you still think of Catholicism as harmful after reading her posts? I can't.

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11-26-2002, 05:50 AM	#2
babelfish Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Augusta, Maine, USA Posts: 2,046	Can you please quote some instances in which GT was particularly persuasive? I must have missed those posts....

11-26-2002, 06:03 AM	#3
Magazine Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 40	In the "Where was God" thread, where it says, "If God can be disproved through events of extreme suffering, why can he not be proved through events of extreme altruism?"

11-26-2002, 06:05 AM	#4
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	You found that persuasive?

11-26-2002, 06:10 AM	#5
Magazine Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 40	Yes. If bad things in the world count against God, then good things count for him. Either it is wrong to say that there is no evidence for God, or it is wrong to say that evil is evidence against him. Magazine

11-26-2002, 06:17 AM	#6
babelfish Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Augusta, Maine, USA Posts: 2,046	That would be a very persuasive argument for a weak, or evil, or stupid god. Not for one who is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient, or omni- anything.

11-26-2002, 06:20 AM	#8
Ut Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 828	I need more dependable friends than God.

11-26-2002, 06:54 AM	#10
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Yes. If bad things in the world count against God, then good things count for him. Either it is wrong to say that there is no evidence for God, or it is wrong to say that evil is evidence against him. So the two cancel out, giving a net sum of zero. Therefore, god doesn't exist.

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