Laci

We have Christian right groups here in the USA who might treat women badly. But these groups remain small in comparison to the Islamic religion. The women are totally protected under the law if their husbands should abuse them here in the USA. And the women has the right to get up and leave whenever she wants. However, not so in other countries under Islamic Law.

And Islamism is growing. Unfortunately these extremists abuse women because they follow their religous book religiously.
Don't forget these books were not written by Allah but by MEN who figured out ways to keep women subserviant to them. Covering their faces wards off other men to flirt with their women. That's how inferior the men are.

These MEN who wrote all these words to live by have very small egos and just want to totally control women. I think that's the bottom line in the Islamic religion. These men are overly emotional and alot mentally sick hence they keep their women under tight restrictions. And there are alot of Islamic men in other countries not working and hanging around the streets and who are dwelling on these ridiculous religious books which were written a long, long time ago.

The new Islams use their religious book to maintain peace betwen themselves and their God and the outside world. Quite a difference from the extremists!

by the way Mohammad had about 6 wives himself.

Dr Rick

I have a feeling you don't know or care what I'm going by:

"Christians are facing a shrinking population in the liberal West and a growing majority of the traditional Rest. During the past half century the critical centers of the Christian world have moved decisively to Africa, to Latin America, and to Asia. The balance will never shift back." The numbers are jaw-dropping: Nigeria already has more practicing Anglicans than any other country, with Uganda not far behind. The Philippines has more baptisms per year than France, Spain, Italy, and Poland together. By 2025, two thirds of all Christians (and three quarters of all Catholics) are expected to live in the South. (These numbers actually underestimate the contrast in growth rates, for many Southern Christians are relocating to the North. In London today, for example, half of all churchgoers are blacks.) If present trends continue, by 2050 the proportion of non-Latino whites among the world's Christians will fall to about one in five."

-Philip Jenkins, professor of history and religious studies at Pennsylvania State University, in Atlantic Monthly

Christianity's base is shifting, and its fervancy in the Southern regions is increasing; it is hardly "dying." But still, Modern day practicing Muslims are more oppressive towards women than modern day Christians.

So does my dishwasher; so what?

That's a modern-day example; I do not condemn people for the actions of their ancestors.

Dr Rick

Wasn't he married to a woman that practiced polyandrogy (I think she had two other husbands besides him)?

Jat

Originally posted by Dr Rick

I have a feeling you don't know or care what I'm going by:

"Christians are facing a shrinking population in the liberal West and a growing majority of the traditional Rest. During the past half century the critical centers of the Christian world have moved decisively to Africa, to Latin America, and to Asia. The balance will never shift back." The numbers are jaw-dropping: Nigeria already has more practicing Anglicans than any other country, with Uganda not far behind. The Philippines has more baptisms per year than France, Spain, Italy, and Poland together. By 2025, two thirds of all Christians (and three quarters of all Catholics) are expected to live in the South. (These numbers actually underestimate the contrast in growth rates, for many Southern Christians are relocating to the North. In London today, for example, half of all churchgoers are blacks.) If present trends continue, by 2050 the proportion of non-Latino whites among the world's Christians will fall to about one in five."

-Philip Jenkins, professor of history and religious studies at Pennsylvania State University, in Atlantic Monthly

Christianity's base is shifting, and its fervancy may in the Southern regions is increasing; it is hardly "dying." But still, Modern day practicing Muslims are more oppressive towards women than modern day Christians.

It maybe shifting, but it is still on the decline. Plus what you gave is hardly an unbiased source either.


Estimates of the total number of Muslims range from 0.7 to 1.2 billion worldwide and 1.1 to 7 million in the U.S. 2 About 21% of all people on earth follow Islam. The religion is currently in a period of rapid growth.

Christianity is currently the largest religion in the world. It is followed by about 33% of all people -- a percentage that has remained stable for decades. If current trends continue, Islam will become the most popular world religion sometime in the mid-21st century.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/islam.htm


As for numbers see here. I should let you know that some of the numbers on adherents on this site I question because of their source, but even then it does show a tread.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm


So does my dishwasher; so what?

Christianity has used up most of its detergent, whereas Islam has much of its left.

That's a modern-day example; I do not condemn people for the actions of their ancestors.

It was wrong back then and it is still wrong today. Of course you don't condemn people for what their ancestors did in the past unless they continue the practice in the present.

Dr Rick

Agreed, the fire-burnings of witches by Christians in the past has no bearing on acid-burnings of women by Muslims in the present.

Misso

That's excactly the problem. People focus so much on one thing that they completely disregard the other. In the recent war against Iraq, the excuse of all people dying under Saddam was worth more than 3.5 million dead in Congo. Bring up the topic of Congo in an arguement with a pro-war person and it's waved away as if it wasn't important, or didn't even happen. Sure what happens under the excuse of Islam is bad. That doesn't mean a witch-hunt for everything that is Islam should be started now while everything else is ignored. Don't try to combat in another culture what you allow in your own.

If you're really left wing, you're against religion anyway, no matter how it treats people.
I'm getting sick of all this "political correct" BS. It's the most hollow phrase of contemporary society. What's actually seen as "political correct" (i.e. multicultural, liberal, etc.) is condemned. The new "political correctness" seems to consist of being as offensive as possible.

Dr Rick

A religion that is growing in numbers is not on a decline, and it certainly is not "dying" just because another religion is growing faster.

Jat

Don't think that if Christianity was still at that level of power and control today as they were back then that they wouldn't continue the practice of witch and heretic burnings.

Jat

You didn't read that link I sent you did you? If it was growing at around the same as the world population growth was a few years ago and continued to stay the same while the world pop. rate increased than it is on the decline. Islam is growing faster than the world population rate and it won't be too long before there are more Muslims in the world than Christians.

Say that your boat has a leak and you're bailing it out as fast as you can, but no matter how fast you bail the boat will eventually sink when there is more water in the boat than not because the water is pouring in faster than you can remove it. Christianity is the leaky boat and the water is Islam.

How much of Christian doctrine do you follow to the letter like a good Christian should? Do you have children and if your son talks back to you in a disrespectful manner are you going to stone him to death? How about if your have a daughter are you going to sell her off when she comes of marriagable age? If not than you are a poor Christian. These are some of the laws which are outlined in the bible.

Dr Rick

Did you?

Predictions for Growth of Christainity:
"Readers Digest 1 1985 1.0 billion -
Al-Islam 2 1994 to 1995 - 1.46%
U.S. Center for World Mission 3 From 1970 to 1996 From 33.7% to 33.9% 2.3%
John Gary 4 2025 3 billion -
UK Christian Handbook 9 From 2000 to 2010 From 27.7% to 27.1% -
Barrett & Johnson 5 From 2000 to 2025 From 2.015 to 2.711 billion -
Todd Johnson 6 From 2000 to 2025 From 2.090 to 3.023 billion; 33.4% to 35.5% -
Todd Johnson 6 2200! 4.40 billion -
World Christian Encyclopedia 2000 2.0 billion; 37.9% -
Samuel Huntington 2025 25%

Predicted Growth of Islam:
Readers Digest 1 1985 700 million -
Al-Islam 2 1994 to 1995 - 6.4%
U.S. Center for World Mission 3 From 1970 to 1996 - 2.9%
John Gary 4 2025 2 billion -
Barrett & Johnson 5 2000 to 2025 1.22 to 1.89 billion -
Todd Johnson 6 From 2000 to 2025 From 1.16 to 1.72 billion; From 18.5% to 20.2%
Todd Johnson 6 2200! 2.62 billion; 22.6%
Samuel Huntington 2025 30%"

"Summary:
There is no agreement about future trends in Christianity and Islam:

Author Samuel Huntington predicts that Islam will overtake Christianity early in the 21st century. By the year 2025, Islam will have 5% more adherents than will Christianity.
The U.S. Center for World Mission estimated in 1997 that Christianity's total number of adherents is growing at about 2.3% annually. This is approximately equal to the growth rate of the world's population. Islam is growing faster: about 2.9% and is thus increasing its market share. At this rate, Islam would surpass Christianity as the world's main religion by 2023 CE.
Most Christian sources predict that Christianity will retain its numerical lead over Islam beyond the year 2025. For example, futurist John Gary stated in 1997: "In no probable statistical scenario reaching out to the year 2200, does Islam surpass Christianity in absolute number of adherents."