Roland98

Ah yes--because kids all grow up to be EXACTLY like their parents do.

Sorry, but this is the lamest rationalization I've heard yet for the extermination of newborns--but maybe it can be used on a pro-choice thread. After all, if they're just growing up to be fornicators, why not abort them?

wdog

Magus,

You are contradicting some christian apologists who, like us, cannot see the logic of god sending say, a 3 year old, to hell for the sins of the parents. From lee strobel's book "the case for faith", p.120

secondly if the world was absolutely full of rapists, theives and whatever since all children do is follow their parents, then it is clearly all the parents fault. If it is always the parents fault, then it can be traced back to adam and eve, since all the people of the earth were simply their children. well, adam and eve were the children of god, so god should be held accountable for their sins as well.

See how ridiculous you are in saying that children must follow their parents? you have remove free will, which you also convienently use to take away god's responsibilty for eve's sin.

Golgo_13

In saying that God has the freedom and power to do that which is logically impossible, you are saying that any discussion of God and ultimate reality cannot be constrained by basic principles of rationality. This would seem to make rational discourse about God impossible.

If rational discourse about God is impossible, there is nothing rational we can say about God and nothing rational we can say to support our belief or disbelief in God.

To reject rational constraints on religious discourse in this fashion requires accepting that religious convictions, including your religious convictions, are beyond any debate or rational discussion.

- Golgo

Joe Meert

JM: Of course and he also could have planted this history in your mind yesterday. How do you know you were not just instantly created with the memory you have now? You see, science must deal with the physical evidence and there is no physical evidence for a global flood. This is not a conclusion that was reached by atheists, but by careful fundamentalist Christian scholars over 150 years ago! At the time, these Christian naturalists assumed that the Earth had undergone a flood, just like the bible said. They went to search for the evidence and came back, after many years of observation and questioning, with the conclusion that no global flood had taken place. Today, we have confirmed their findings over and over and there is no evidence for a global flood. Furthermore, if you can dismiss anything and everything with a miracle, why not just say: "The bible says it, I believe it and that settles it"? There's no need to argue the science (especially because the science is stacked against you). You can take quiet solace in your own idealogical ignorance instead!

Cheers

Joe Meert

agnawstick

A question for Magus:

How many abortions did God perform when he unleashed the global flood? Does this suggest that if you come to realize that the parent of the child is evil, it is perfectly acceptable to kill the unborn child who is at no fault in the situation? God did it. There were no doubt women who were 6 months pregnant when the flood allegedly hit. God killed those unborn babies because he didn't like their parents. God also killed all the mentally retarded people, the vegetables, cripples, toddlers, you name it.

Be very careful with the Noah story, because it is really crappy ethics. It is what got me to toss aside my faith in the bible in the first place. I was a teen, and I thought, why did an all powerful God have to kill Bambi? There are stories in the bible of God doing what we would now call "precision strikes" on those that pissed him off. Was God not capable of sparing the animals, but killing off all the evil women but saving their babies? If Noah was great with feeding, cleaning and caring for every species of animal, he would have been a great foster dad.

God decided that righteous Noah shouldn't have been allowed to care for the babies, but he had to kill them, and their unborn siblings as well. If you have an argument other than "It is God's will, to explain the ethics of God's great abortion plan, please let me know". Until then, I would love to see the fundies starting to say "Abortion Now: It is God's way"

Golgo_13

It's not "abortion", rather, "abortion enforcement".

Calzaer

Ever seen Jesus rise from the dead? Ever seen God giving Moses dictation? <insult deleted >

Re: Everything you've ever posted:

PROVE IT OR SHUT UP <,please. >

Spenser

Now that is a fantastic claim. Yes, all land could be under water if the mountains were not 'lowered' but eroded (washed away) to fill parts of the existing ocean, however, there is absolutely no geological evidence of such things, quite the opposite. That is a fantastic claim in which you would bear a huge burden of proof.

Might I remind you that during the supposed time of the flood there was recorded history going on in east Asia and in Egypt. Funny, they seemed to have missed all the water that was supposed to have drowned their heathen asses and continued about their existence worrying more about their own Gods...

GunnerJ

So... in order to defend from criticisms that there isn't enough water to cover the whole earth, you make up some absurd story about the mountains being lowered and the trenches raised, just to defend against criticisms that such an event would reduce the Earth's surface to slag metal by saying... "it's magic, goddidit!"?

Well, crap, why didn't you just say he created the water ex nihilo in the first place, so we could toss your just-so "explanation" out of the scientific arena and into the dustbin of unfalsifiable hypotheses where it belongs?

GunnerJ

T EVERYONE DISCUSSING FREE WILL: There was a warning on the old thread to stay on topic. It still applies. Take all problem of evil/free will defense debates to GRD. Thanks.