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WWSD · 03-26-2002, 09:13 AM

Sex and heaven. I heard or thought that xtians don't have sex in heaven, but I've no idea where I got this idea from (and it may be that I imagined it as I live in a strange fantasy universe anyway). Is it true and can anyone point me to the scriptures that say something to this effect.

Also, where does the idea that priests need to be celebate come from? Did Paul do that?
That crazy Paul.

Pennywise the clown · 03-26-2002, 09:41 AM

If there isn't sex in heaven, this clown ain't going!

Never heard the sex in heaven rule and I'm at a loss to think of a specific Bible verse.

I believe celibacy came about from that silly goof St. Augustine but I could be wrong. I'm sure Amos will chime in but; as usual, you'd get a better answer smoking dope than asking him.

I seem to recall that the good Saint had some big sexual hang ups and I believe before he was "saved" he also use to frequent the ladies of the night. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

Of course, I may be confusing him with another Church Father...

Jamie_L · 03-26-2002, 10:01 AM

If heaven were real (the Chrisian concept of heaven, anyway), it could not just be a place where we exist again just as we are now. We're all f*&ked up here, and if we were in heaven we'd f*#k that place up too.

So, heaven would necessarily involve changes to US. In some sense, that means WE don't go to heaven, but God tinkers with us so that we become part of this heaven willingly, and find it heavenly for all eternity. I.E., if there were no sex, God would make us so we didn't need sex to be happy.

Of course, this is the kind of mental gymnastics that only reinforces my belief that there just is no heaven.

Imagine all the people living for today...

Jamie

Godless Dave · 03-26-2002, 12:55 PM

I don't think the conception is that God tinkers with us, but that our "souls", once separated from our bodies, will no longer feel the carnal urges like lust, hunger, etc. that come from our earthly bodies, as opposed to our spiritual souls.

The concept that our "soul" exists separately from our bodies is one of the many problems I have with religion in general.

03-26-2002, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Pennywise the clown:
If there isn't sex in heaven, this clown ain't going!

Never heard the sex in heaven rule and I'm at a loss to think of a specific Bible verse.

Revelations talks about no marriage in heaven. Heaven is when the kundalini is raised to the 7th level (we call this Coronation or Sahasrara; Pure Reason is blue) and away from the crotch where it has been dormant except for the occasional call to action during sex.

As the kundalini is raised the 'bloodflow' to the crotch is reduced and celibacy is easily mastered by the priest who is called to be at the fourth level of chakra during ordination (which is celebrated with the "laying on of hands)." The fourth level is aimed to raise the spiritual awakening to the heart in which the ordinant is envisioned by a surrounding light and seeing this divine light he becomes filled with wonder and desires to raise the kundalini to its fullness of the seventh level (on towards Easter which is the seventh day on which darkness night did not follow the day). It is expected that after the fourth level his mind does not return to the "lower centers" because when the image of night is gone also its invitation to participate is gone ("no night" Rev.22:5 because of the everlasting light).

The above makes celebacy a necessary condition for a priest (if indeed he is called to be a priest prior to ordination), and proof of ignorance since only Catholicsm is aware of this fact in Christendom. With all respect, I not wish to insinuate that I defend pedophile priests.

So princess, if you do not wish to go to heaven you must either make sure you got your fill of it before you go there, or quit practicing yoga so you can enjoy sex until you die.

You could also follow the footsteps of Augustine and exhaust the urge with the hope that there is sweeter wine when you get that far.

Sorry, I forgot the name of the double serpent rising up in Hinduism. Is that the symbol called Kundalini or does it have another name?

We have these same two serpents in Mary theotokos ("seat of wisdom" or "mother energy") and Mary Magdalene (patronizing the crotch until she is left stranded there with no image to serve).

[ March 26, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]

John Page · 03-26-2002, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by WWSD:
Sex and heaven. I heard or thought that xtians don't have sex in heaven....

They have something better than sex!!!!!

BLoggins02 · 03-26-2002, 06:58 PM

Amos, I love it when you talk dirty to me

03-26-2002, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by BLoggins02:
Amos, I love it when you talk dirty to me

But . . . that was not meant to be a dirty joke!

BLoggins02 · 03-26-2002, 08:17 PM

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But . . . that was not meant to be a dirty joke!

But . . . you were supposed to understand that I'm smart enought to have figured that out.

Pennywise the clown · 03-27-2002, 05:25 AM

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So princess, if you do not wish to go to heaven you must either make sure you got your fill of it before you go there, or quit practicing yoga so you can enjoy sex until you die.

*Checks clown pants*

Nope, got a "little clown" down there dear Amos. Guess that makes me a prince!

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You could also follow the footsteps of Augustine and exhaust the urge with the hope that there is sweeter wine when you get that far.

I'm hoping there's pie when I get there! BTW Amos: do you like pie?

As for the rest of what you said...

*scratches clown head*

(man, they call me insane)

Who writes your material Amos? Man, it's hard enough adding "clownisms" to every post! Dude, you are out there!

Wooooooooosh! Straight past Pluto and leaving the solar system "out there"!

Fiddle-dee-do, fiddle-dee-dee, time to go and make some tea!

03-26-2002, 09:13 AM	#1
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03-26-2002, 09:41 AM	#2
Pennywise the clown Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: "We all float down here!" Posts: 34	If there isn't sex in heaven, this clown ain't going! Never heard the sex in heaven rule and I'm at a loss to think of a specific Bible verse. I believe celibacy came about from that silly goof St. Augustine but I could be wrong. I'm sure Amos will chime in but; as usual, you'd get a better answer smoking dope than asking him. I seem to recall that the good Saint had some big sexual hang ups and I believe before he was "saved" he also use to frequent the ladies of the night. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) Of course, I may be confusing him with another Church Father...

03-26-2002, 10:01 AM	#3
Jamie_L Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,565	If heaven were real (the Chrisian concept of heaven, anyway), it could not just be a place where we exist again just as we are now. We're all f&ked up here, and if we were in heaven we'd f#k that place up too. So, heaven would necessarily involve changes to US. In some sense, that means WE don't go to heaven, but God tinkers with us so that we become part of this heaven willingly, and find it heavenly for all eternity. I.E., if there were no sex, God would make us so we didn't need sex to be happy. Of course, this is the kind of mental gymnastics that only reinforces my belief that there just is no heaven. Imagine all the people living for today... Jamie

03-26-2002, 12:55 PM	#4
Godless Dave Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast? Posts: 10,762	I don't think the conception is that God tinkers with us, but that our "souls", once separated from our bodies, will no longer feel the carnal urges like lust, hunger, etc. that come from our earthly bodies, as opposed to our spiritual souls. The concept that our "soul" exists separately from our bodies is one of the many problems I have with religion in general.

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BLoggins02 Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 254	Amos, I love it when you talk dirty to me

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