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Jayjay · 07-29-2003, 11:37 AM

Recently, Jonathan Sarfati responded to a feedback letter at the AiG site, and as is usual of him his arguments consisted of giving links to other AiG articles, hurling insults and bragging with his Ph.D in chemistry: So much for the level of "science"!

(Not going to quote it partly due to copyright concerns, partly because I don't want to read it second time myself.)

RufusAtticus · 07-29-2003, 11:52 AM

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This young man has an exceptional knowledge for a 14yo. So can you find any actual errors in the article Genetics and Biblical demographic events?

I can.

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What exactly does fit a Christian? I would have thought that it was following Christ, and he never minced words.

This from a man who thinks the sermon on the mount was "Be nice to one another. Be a jerk to everyone else."

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But common design is a better explanation.

Except for the fact that even Sarfati knows that a common designer cannot explain shared ERV and unary pseudogenes.

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So where is the flaw in our argument that a beetle born without wings on a windy island has a selective advantage in that it won't be blown into the sea, but that this is still an informationally downhill change so provides no support for evolution from goo to you via the zoo

It begins at "but."

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I've never attacked science in my life

Another, Sarfati lie.

Jimmy Higgins · 07-29-2003, 12:00 PM

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evolution from goo to you via the zoo

Where have I read that before?

RufusAtticus · 07-29-2003, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
Where have I read that before?

Same place I read about "elephant hurls."

Jayjay · 07-29-2003, 12:02 PM

I found it especially comical how Sarfati first defended the 14-year old who wrote the article as being a smart individual despite his age and lack of credentials, and then proceeded to deride the person who wrote the feedback because he doesn't have a Ph.D like Sarfati and his pals.

emotional · 07-29-2003, 12:07 PM

Sarfati sez:

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I have looked, and I see stars and rocks. None of these have labels saying they are billions of years old. We don't see age; rather, we interpret various features as being caused by physical processes occurring in the past, and given certain assumptions, age is inferred. But this inference is only as good as the assumptions.

He makes it sound like nature is another book of the Bible, ready to be twisted by a faulty hermeneutic. To the Bible-thumper, everything looks like some sort of Bible.

RufusAtticus · 07-29-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Jayjay
I found it especially comical how Sarfati first defended the 14-year old who wrote the article as being a smart individual despite his age and lack of credentials, and then proceeded to deride the person who wrote the feedback because he doesn't have a Ph.D like Sarfati and his pals.

This same 14-yro has submitted another article to TJ, of the same quality as the last one. Anybody taking bets on whether it gets in?

Jayjay · 07-29-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by RufusAtticus
This same 14-yro has submitted another article to TJ, of the same quality as the last one. Anybody taking bets on whether it gets in?

Considering that the TJ's qualifications have nothing to do with quality, but rather what looks good, it could go both ways: It could pass in order to hook the person in question to creationist propaganda machinery and to use the guy as a role model for young impressionable minds out there, or they might give it a friendly "shake" to make it look as if their peer review is effective.

pangloss · 07-29-2003, 12:27 PM

Sarfati is a classic jackass.

He has been lying about me again at propWeb, and some dude pastes my post form here there and gets deleted and insulted by "Momma Dee Dee" and Sherwhore.

Peas in a pod - Momma, Sher, and Sarfati...

Idiots deluded by their own stupidity into thinking they know more than they really do.

Of course, what is Sarfati, a mere chemist, blabbering on in support of non-chemistry topics for in the first place?

Ergaster · 07-29-2003, 12:43 PM

Something that just passed through my head, on the topic of "peer-review" and TJ....most journal articles that I have seen have some sort of notation somewhere near the title or abstract that says something like: "Submitted Yaddayadda date; revised version submitted (or revised and resubmitted, etc.) some date several months later; accepted thus and so date".

Don't recall ever seeing anything like that on a TJ article, but then, I've only seen a few TJ articles. Maybe I missed it.

(She said, tongue really truly not in cheek, honestly....)

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Originally posted by Jayjay
Considering that the TJ's qualifications have nothing to do with quality, but rather what looks good, it could go both ways: It could pass in order to hook the person in question to creationist propaganda machinery and to use the guy as a role model for young impressionable minds out there, or they might give it a friendly "shake" to make it look as if their peer review is effective.

07-29-2003, 11:37 AM	#1
Jayjay Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 6,261	Sarfati's latest rant at AiG Recently, Jonathan Sarfati responded to a feedback letter at the AiG site, and as is usual of him his arguments consisted of giving links to other AiG articles, hurling insults and bragging with his Ph.D in chemistry: So much for the level of "science"! (Not going to quote it partly due to copyright concerns, partly because I don't want to read it second time myself.)

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07-29-2003, 12:02 PM	#5
Jayjay Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 6,261	I found it especially comical how Sarfati first defended the 14-year old who wrote the article as being a smart individual despite his age and lack of credentials, and then proceeded to deride the person who wrote the feedback because he doesn't have a Ph.D like Sarfati and his pals.

07-29-2003, 12:27 PM	#9
pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	Sarfati is a classic jackass. He has been lying about me again at propWeb, and some dude pastes my post form here there and gets deleted and insulted by "Momma Dee Dee" and Sherwhore. Peas in a pod - Momma, Sher, and Sarfati... Idiots deluded by their own stupidity into thinking they know more than they really do. Of course, what is Sarfati, a mere chemist, blabbering on in support of non-chemistry topics for in the first place?

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