FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-17-2002, 09:41 AM   #11
CX
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Portlandish
Posts: 2,829
Post

Quote:
Originally posted by Mageth:
<strong>Yuk. I hate John Edward. What a charlatan.

(You might want to put a carriage return between "Go" and "Keep.")</strong>
Charlatans cheat people on purpose. John is sincere.
CX is offline  
Old 04-17-2002, 10:04 AM   #12
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5,658
Post

You think that he believes he's actually communicating with the dead?
tronvillain is offline  
Old 04-17-2002, 10:19 AM   #13
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas
Posts: 29,689
Post

He practices cold reading. He knows he practices cold reading. He lets his audience think he's really communicating with the dead. He's a charlatan.

Successful charlatans come across as sincere. Otherwise, their career would be short.
Mageth is offline  
Old 04-18-2002, 06:22 AM   #14
CX
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Portlandish
Posts: 2,829
Post

Quote:
Originally posted by tronvillain:
<strong>You think that he believes he's actually communicating with the dead?</strong>
Yes. My brother was associate producer of the show. I trust his judgement. John and the people close to him definitely believe he talks to the dead.
CX is offline  
Old 04-18-2002, 06:24 AM   #15
CX
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Portlandish
Posts: 2,829
Post

Quote:
Originally posted by Mageth:
<strong>He practices cold reading. He knows he practices cold reading. He lets his audience think he's really communicating with the dead. He's a charlatan.</strong>
You know this how?
CX is offline  
Old 04-18-2002, 12:32 PM   #16
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas
Posts: 29,689
Post

Others who can do what he does better than he can admit to the fact that they do it using cold reading techniques. Cold reading is a well-known technique that mediums have used since time immemoiral. If there's a viable, known naturalistic explanation to what he does, I'll go with that over the supernatural every time.

Articles like <a href="http://www.skeptic.com/newsworthy13.html" target="_blank">this one</a> back up my position, and expose information such as the heavy editing that's performed before his readings are broadcast and go into detail about other tricks he uses.
Mageth is offline  
Old 04-18-2002, 12:35 PM   #17
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5,658
Post

Even if I was to believe your brother was an associate producer of the show, I wouldn't trust him to be able to determine whether or not Edwards is sincere.
tronvillain is offline  
Old 04-18-2002, 12:41 PM   #18
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5,658
Post

Mageth:
Quote:
Others who can do what he does better than he can admit to the fact that they do it using cold reading techniques.
Well, that could be used to argue that he is only cold reading unintentionally, believing that his abilities are real.

[ April 18, 2002: Message edited by: tronvillain ]</p>
tronvillain is offline  
Old 04-18-2002, 12:46 PM   #19
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas
Posts: 29,689
Post

Tron: true, but the article I posted exposes evidence that Edward knows what he's doing.

Question: if a person could really communicate with the dead, then why would they need to practice the known techniques of cold reading? Couldn't they just walk up to a stranger and say "Your Grampa Hubert says Hi!"?
Mageth is offline  
Old 04-18-2002, 12:52 PM   #20
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 5,658
Post

Oh, I don't think he's sincere, I was just pointing out that having a lower hit rate than people who admit what they're doing isn't an argument that he knows what he's doing.
tronvillain is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:32 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.