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Trout · 02-07-2005, 07:03 AM

Canada's been balking on this issue for a while now. Personally, I don't think the country has much of a choice but to join in some capacity sooner or later. It would be nice to see a hold-out but I doubt it will occur.

Thoughts?

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ile050106.html

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A draft report from the American Assembly at Columbia University says if Canada joins, it would get the issue off the table and allow both countries to move on to issues like co-ordinating maritime defence and trans-border emergencies.

But the assembly's report wasn't unanimous.

A handful of high-profile Canadians, including former prime minister Joe Clark, expressed reservations about the plan.

EarlFlynn · 02-07-2005, 09:50 AM

I hate the idea of getting involved in this dumbass boondoggle of a "plan," but this may be one of those times where Canada is forced to participate or face (unspoken but real) economic and political sanctions. Frankly, I wish we'd just say damn the torpedoes and say "no thanks," but I'm not sure how realistic that position is. I feel bad for Paul Martin - this is one of those "rock and a hard place" issues.

socratoad · 02-07-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EarlFlynn

I hate the idea of getting involved in this dumbass boondoggle of a "plan," but this may be one of those times where Canada is forced to participate or face (unspoken but real) economic and political sanctions. Frankly, I wish we'd just say damn the torpedoes and say "no thanks," but I'm not sure how realistic that position is. I feel bad for Paul Martin - this is one of those "rock and a hard place" issues.

What EarlFlynn said.

I'm too sickened and angry at the moment to be able to add further comment.

Amen-Moses · 02-07-2005, 10:14 AM

Has Mexico joined? If not will they be "forced" as well?

Amen-Moses

Trout · 02-07-2005, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by socratoad

What EarlFlynn said.

I'm too sickened and angry at the moment to be able to add further comment.

Agreed. What was that quote about the elephant?

growker · 02-07-2005, 10:15 AM

The Liberals were always going to participate anyway.

socratoad · 02-07-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Trout

Agreed. What was that quote about the elephant?

:thumbs:

My own quotation: It matters not how unintelligent the elephant may be, its BIG

Octavia · 02-07-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EarlFlynn

I hate the idea of getting involved in this dumbass boondoggle of a "plan," but this may be one of those times where Canada is forced to participate or face (unspoken but real) economic and political sanctions. Frankly, I wish we'd just say damn the torpedoes and say "no thanks," but I'm not sure how realistic that position is. I feel bad for Paul Martin - this is one of those "rock and a hard place" issues.

Same thing happened to us as a result of going nuclear-free. You know what? We're still coping. If you don't want the damn thing tell the US to shove it where the sun don't shine. It's quite enormously satisfying, really.

Trust me. You'll both find a way to live with it.

growker · 02-07-2005, 01:56 PM

There wouldn't be any sanctions from the US against Canada. But the US would go ahead with it anyway, and Canada would have no say in its operation. A bit of soveriegnty lost.

socratoad · 02-07-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Octavia

Same thing happened to us as a result of going nuclear-free. You know what? We're still coping. If you don't want the damn thing tell the US to shove it where the sun don't shine. It's quite enormously satisfying, really.

Trust me. You'll both find a way to live with it.

I would like to think that you are right. Unfortunately there are just so many home-grown carpet baggers here to make integrity and ethics a rather huge problem. I'm still hoping that our prime minister will actually stand up on his hind legs and make a stand on this issue.

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02-07-2005, 09:50 AM	#2
EarlFlynn Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 1,806	I hate the idea of getting involved in this dumbass boondoggle of a "plan," but this may be one of those times where Canada is forced to participate or face (unspoken but real) economic and political sanctions. Frankly, I wish we'd just say damn the torpedoes and say "no thanks," but I'm not sure how realistic that position is. I feel bad for Paul Martin - this is one of those "rock and a hard place" issues.

02-07-2005, 10:14 AM	#4
Amen-Moses Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 4,652	Has Mexico joined? If not will they be "forced" as well? Amen-Moses

02-07-2005, 10:15 AM	#6
growker Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 321	The Liberals were always going to participate anyway.

02-07-2005, 01:56 PM	#9
growker Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 321	There wouldn't be any sanctions from the US against Canada. But the US would go ahead with it anyway, and Canada would have no say in its operation. A bit of soveriegnty lost.

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