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Baidarka · 10-16-2002, 10:56 AM

Here’s a link to a site devoted to the Documentary Hypothesis. <a href="http://www-relg-studies.scu.edu/netcours/hb/dh/creat.htm" target="_blank">http://www-relg-studies.scu.edu/netcours/hb/dh/creat.htm</a> This is a page devoted to the creation story. It claims that the creation story contains 2 separate threads (J&P) which each tells a separate version of the story. Not only does this theory dispute Moses’ authorship but it states that the OT is a library of books by several different authors woven together by an editor it calls the Redactor.
Are any of you unfamiliar with this Idea? Does any one strongly disagree?
I would suggest that this discussion should be confined at this time to the Creation Story.

Peter Kirby · 10-16-2002, 11:59 AM

As an aside, the JEPD theory is what you learn at a Catholic high school such as Servite in Anaheim, CA. Most people have no problem with the idea that Moses didn't write the Pentateuch.

best,
Peter Kirby

Marduk · 10-16-2002, 02:39 PM

There was a three hour show "Who Wrote the Bible" on awhile ago on The History Channel, not bad, they go into this quite a bit, Dever and others. They seem to think a man named Baruch (sp?) wrote a good chunk of Deuteronomy and some others.
Keep an eye out, they may show it again.
Or you can buy the book of the same name or Dever's "What did the Biblw writers Know and When did they Know it"

SangFori · 10-16-2002, 10:12 PM

I was just reading a transcription of the Torah, and I am curious, in Genesis, where did all the women come from these folks married?

Dark Jedi · 10-16-2002, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by SangFori:
<strong>I was just reading a transcription of the Torah, and I am curious, in Genesis, where did all the women come from these folks married?</strong>

It is commonly thought that only key female births are noted, all others are ignored.
They are essentially the sisters of the male decendants of A&E.

Tristan Scott · 10-17-2002, 05:23 AM

Maybe they came from the land of Nod, just to the east of Eden.

[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: Tristan Scott ]</p>

Baidarka · 10-17-2002, 06:09 AM

I think that most people underestimate the depth of the rough humor contained in Genesis. Some of the most perplexing conundrums of Biblical analysis disappear if you realize that you are reading ancient humorous skits and not a pretentious pseudo history. Many of the characters are supposed to be the founding patriarchs of Israel’s neighbors and they portrayed as murderers, father rapers, drunks, daughter rapers, and tricksters.
I believe that much of what we read here is low, rough humor on a par with the three stooges. Does anyone out there worry about contradictions in Three Stooges films? In translation the Hebrew puns are missing. Many of the jokes are very hard for us to get coming from another time and place but the jokes are there if we allow ourselves to see them.

lpetrich · 10-17-2002, 12:56 PM

Very interesting theory, but testing it would require knowledge of Hebrew, which not many of us have.

10-16-2002, 10:56 AM	#1
Baidarka Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 590	J&E&P&R wrote the Bible Here’s a link to a site devoted to the Documentary Hypothesis. <a href="http://www-relg-studies.scu.edu/netcours/hb/dh/creat.htm" target="_blank">http://www-relg-studies.scu.edu/netcours/hb/dh/creat.htm</a> This is a page devoted to the creation story. It claims that the creation story contains 2 separate threads (J&P) which each tells a separate version of the story. Not only does this theory dispute Moses’ authorship but it states that the OT is a library of books by several different authors woven together by an editor it calls the Redactor. Are any of you unfamiliar with this Idea? Does any one strongly disagree? I would suggest that this discussion should be confined at this time to the Creation Story.

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10-16-2002, 11:59 AM	#2
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	As an aside, the JEPD theory is what you learn at a Catholic high school such as Servite in Anaheim, CA. Most people have no problem with the idea that Moses didn't write the Pentateuch. best, Peter Kirby

10-16-2002, 02:39 PM	#3
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	There was a three hour show "Who Wrote the Bible" on awhile ago on The History Channel, not bad, they go into this quite a bit, Dever and others. They seem to think a man named Baruch (sp?) wrote a good chunk of Deuteronomy and some others. Keep an eye out, they may show it again. Or you can buy the book of the same name or Dever's "What did the Biblw writers Know and When did they Know it"

10-16-2002, 10:12 PM	#4
SangFori Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tulsa Ok Posts: 148	I was just reading a transcription of the Torah, and I am curious, in Genesis, where did all the women come from these folks married?

10-17-2002, 05:23 AM	#6
Tristan Scott Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southwest USA Posts: 4,093	Maybe they came from the land of Nod, just to the east of Eden. [ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: Tristan Scott ]</p>

10-17-2002, 06:09 AM	#7
Baidarka Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 590	I think that most people underestimate the depth of the rough humor contained in Genesis. Some of the most perplexing conundrums of Biblical analysis disappear if you realize that you are reading ancient humorous skits and not a pretentious pseudo history. Many of the characters are supposed to be the founding patriarchs of Israel’s neighbors and they portrayed as murderers, father rapers, drunks, daughter rapers, and tricksters. I believe that much of what we read here is low, rough humor on a par with the three stooges. Does anyone out there worry about contradictions in Three Stooges films? In translation the Hebrew puns are missing. Many of the jokes are very hard for us to get coming from another time and place but the jokes are there if we allow ourselves to see them.

10-17-2002, 12:56 PM	#8
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Very interesting theory, but testing it would require knowledge of Hebrew, which not many of us have.

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