John the Atheist

Ezra 2: verses 1-70 compared to Nehemiah 7: verses 6-73:


Ezra 1. Now these are the children of the province that went up out of the captivity, of those which had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the King of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city;

Neh' 6. These are the children of the province, that went up out of the captivity of those that had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the King of Babylon had carried away, and came again to Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city;


Ezra 2. Which came with Zerubababel: Jeshua, Nehemiah,SERAIAH, REELAIAH, Mordecai, Bilshan, MIZPAR,Bigvai,REHUM,Baanah. The number of men of the people of Israel:

Neh' 7. Who came with Zerubabel, Jeshua, Nehemiah, AZARIAH, RAAMIAH, NAHAMANI, Mordecai, Bilshan, MISPERETH, Bigvai, NEHEM, Baanah. The number, I say of the men of the people of Israel was this;


Ezra 3. The children of Parosh, two thousand an hundred an seventy and two.

Neh' 8. The children of Parosh, two thousand an hundred an seventy and two.


Ezra 4. The children of Shephatiah, three hundred seventy and two.

Neh' 9. The children of Shephatiah, three hundred seventy and two.


Ezra 5. The children of Arah, SEVEN HUNDRED SEVENTY AND FIVE.

Neh' 10. The children of Arah, SIX HUNDRED FIFTY AND TWO.


Ezra 6. The children of Pahathmoab, of the children of Jeshua and Joab, two thousand eight hundred and TWELVE.

Neh' 11. The children of Pahathmoab, of the children of Jeshua and Joah, two thousand and eight hundred and EIGHTEEN.


Ezra 7. The children of Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.

Neh' 12. The children of Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.


Ezra 8. The children of Zattu, NINE hundred forty and five.

Neh' 13. The children of Zattu, EIGHT hundred forty and five.


Ezra 9. The children of Zaccai, seven hundred and three-score.

Neh' 14. The children of Zaccai, seven hundred and three-score.


Ezra 10. The children of BANI, six hundred forty and TWO.

Neh' 15. The children of BINNUI, six hundred forty and EIGHT.


Ezra 11. The children of Bebai, six hundred twenty and THREE.

Neh' 16. The children of Bebai, six hundred twenty and EIGHT.


Ezra 12. The children of Azgad, a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED twenty and two.

Neh' 17. The children of Azgad, TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED twenty and two.


Ezra 13. The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and SIX.

Neh' 18. The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and SEVEN.


Ezra 14. The children of Bigvai, two thousand FIFTY AND SIX.

Neh' 19. The children of Bigvai, two thousand THREESCORE AND SEVEN.


Ezra 15. The children of Adin, FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY AND FOUR.

Neh' 20. The children of Adin, SIX HUNDRED FIFTY AND FIVE.


Ezra 16. The children of Ater of Hezekiah, ninety and eight.

Neh' 21. The children of Ater of Hezekiah, ninety and eight.


Ezra 17. The children of Bezai, three hundred twenty and THREE.

Neh' 23. The children of Bezai, three hundred twenty and FOUR.


Ezra 18. The children of JORAH,an hundred and twelve.

Neh' 24. The children of HARIPH, an hundred and twelve.


Ezra 19. The children of Hashum, TWO HUNDRED TWENTY AND THREE.

Neh' 22. The children of Hashum, THREE HUNDRED TWENTY AND EIGHT.


Ezra 20. The children of GIBBAR, ninety and five.

Neh' 25. The children of GIBEON, ninety and five.


Ezra 21-22. The children of Bethlehem, an hundred TWENTY AND THREE.
The men of Netophah, FIFTY AND SIX.

Neh' 26. The men of Bethlehem and Netophah, an hundred FOURSCORE AND EIGHT.


Ezra 23. The men of Anathoth, an hundred twenty and eight.

Neh' 27. The men of Anathoth, an hundred twenty and eight.


Ezra 24. The children of AZMAVETH, forty and two.

Neh' 28. The men of BETH-azmeveth, forty and two.


Ezra 25. The children of KIRJATHARIM, Chephirah, Beeroth, seven hundred and forty and three.

Neh' 29. The children of KIRJATHJEARIM, Chephirah, Beeroth, seven hundred and forty and three.


Ezra 26. The children of Ramah and Gaba, six hundred twenty and one.

Neh' 30. The men of Ramah and Gaba, six hundred twenty and one.


Ezra 27. The men of Michmas, an hundred twenty and two.

Neh' 31. The men of Michmas, an hundred twenty and two.


Ezra 28. The men of Bethel and Ai, TWO HUNDRED twenty and three.

Neh' 32. The men of Bethel and Ai, AN HUNDRED twenty and three.


Ezra 29. The children of Nebo, fifty and two.

Neh' 33. The men of the other Nebo, fifty and two.


Ezra 30. THE CHILDREN OF MAGBISH, AN HUNDRED FIFTY AND SIX.

Neh' [no parallel listed]


Ezra 31. The children of the other Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.

Neh' 34. The children of the other Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.


Ezra 32. The children of Harim, three hundred and twenty.

Neh' 35. The children of Harim, three hundred and twenty.


Ezra 33. The children of Lod, Hadid, and Ono, seven hundred twenty and FIVE.

Neh' 37. The children of Lod, Hadid, and Ono, seven hundred twenty and ONE.


Ezra 34. The children of Jericho, three hundred forty and five.

Neh' 36. The children of Jericho, three hundred forty and five.


Ezra 35. The children of Senaah, three thousand and SIX HUNDRED and thirty.

Neh' 38. The children of Senaah, three thousand and NINE HUNDRED and thirty.

Ezra 36. The priest: the children of Jedaiah, of the house of Jeshua, nine hundred seventy and three.

Neh' 39. The priest: the children of Jedaiah, of the house of Jeshua, nine hundred seventy and three.

Ezra 37. The children of Immer, a thousand fifty and two.

Neh' 40. The children of Immer, a thousand fifty and two.


Ezra 38. The children of Pashur, a thousand two hundred forty and seven.

Neh' 41. The children of Pashur, a thousand two hundred forty and seven.


Ezra 39. The children of Harim, a thousand and seventeen.

Neh' 42. The children of Harim, a thousand and seventeen.


Ezra 40. The Levites: the children of Jeshua and Kadmiel, of the children of HODAVIAH, seventy and four.

Neh' 43. The Levites: the children of Jeshua and Kadmiel, and of the children of HODEVAH, seventy and four.


Ezra 41. The singers: the children of Asaph, an hundred TWENTY and eight.

Neh' 44. The singers: the children of Asaph, an hundred FORTY and eight.


Ezra 42. The children of the porters: the children of Shallum, the children of Ater, the children of Talmon, the children of Akkub, the children of Hatita, the children of Shobai, in all an hundred thirty and NINE.

Neh' 45. The porters: the children of Shallum, the children of Ater, the children of Talmon, the children of Akkub, the children of Hatita, the children of Shobai, in all an hundred thirty and EIGHT.


Ezra 43. The Nethinims: the children of Ziha, the children of Hasupha, the children of Tabbaoth,

Neh' 46. The Nethinims: the children of Ziha, the children of Hashupha, the children of Tabbaoth,


Ezra 44. The children of Keros, the children of SIAHA, the children of Padon.

Neh' 47. The children of Keros, the children of SIA, the children of Padon.


Ezra 45. The children of LEBANAH, the children of HABABAH, the children of AKKUB,

Neh' 48. The chlildren of LEBANA, the children of HAGABA, the children of Shalmai,

Ezra 46. The children of Hagab, the children of Shalmai, the children of Hanan,


Ezra 47. The children of Giddel

Neh' 49. The children of Hanan, the children of Giddel, the children of Gahar.


Ezra 48. The children of Rezin, the children of Nekoda, the children of Gazzam,

Neh' 50. The children of Reaiah, the children of Rezin, the children of Nekoda,


Ezra 49. The children of Uzza, the children of PASEAH, the children of Besai,

Neh' 51. The children of Gazzam, the children of Uzza, the children of PHASEAH,


Ezra 50. The children of ASNAH, THE CHILDREN OF MEHUNIM, the children of NEPHUSIM,

Neh' 52. The children of Besai, the children of MEUNIM, the children of NEPHISHESIM,

Ezra 51. The children of Bakbuk, the children of Hakupha, the children of Harhur,

Neh' 53. The children of Bakbuk, the children of Hakupha, the children of Harhur,


Ezra 52. The children of bazlith, the children of Mehida, the children of Harsha,

Neh' 54. The children of Bazlith, the children of Mehida, the children of Harsha,


Ezra 53. The children of Barkos, the children of Sisera, the children of THAMAH,

Neh' 55. The children of Barkos, the childrenof Sisera, the children ofTAMAH,


Ezra 54. The children of Neziah, the children of Hatipha.

Neh’ 56. The chidren of Neziah, the children of Hatipha,


Ezra 55. The children of Solomon’s servants: the children of Sotai, the children of Sophereth, the children of Peruda

Neh’ 57. The children of Solomon’s servant’s: the children of Sotai, the children of Sophereth, the children of PERIDA

Ezra 56. The children of Jaalah, the children of Darkon, the children of Giddel,

Neh’ 58. The children of Jaala, the children of Darkon, the children of Giddel,


Ezra 57. The children of Shephatiah, the children of Hattil, the children of Pochereth of Zebaim, the children of AMI.

Neh’ 59. The children of Shephatiah, the children of Hattil, the children of Hattil, the children of Pochereth of Zebaim, the children of AMON.


Ezra 58. All the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon’s servants, were three hundred ninety and two.

Neh’ 60. All the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon’s servants, were three hundred ninety and two.


Ezra 59. And these were they which went up from Telmelah, TELHARSA, Cherub, ADDAN, and Immer: but they could not shew their father’s house, and their seed, whether they were of Israel:

Neh’ 61. And these were they which went up also from Telmelah, TELHARESHA, Cherub, ADDON, and Immer: but they could not shew their father’s house, nor their seed, hether they were of Israel.


Ezra 60. The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred FIFTY and two.

Neh’ 62. The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred FORTY and two.


Ezra 61 And the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai: which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name:


Neh’ 63. And of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai, which took one of the daughters of Barzillai, the Gileadite to wife, and was called after their name.


Ezra 62. These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.


Neh’ 64. These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but it was not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.


Ezra 63. And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim.

Neh’ 65. And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and Thummim.


Ezra 64. The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore.

Neh’ 66. The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore.


Ezra 65. Beside their servants and their maids, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven: and there were among them TWO HUNDRED singing men and singing women.


Neh’ 67. Beside their manservants and their maidservants, of whom there were seven thousands three hundred thirty and seven: and they had two hundred FORTY AND FIVE singing men and singing women.


Ezra 66. Their horses were seven hundred thirty and six; their mules, two hundred forty and five;

Neh’ 68. Their horses, seven hundred thirty and six: their mules, two hundred forty and five:


Ezra 67 Their camels, four hundred thirty and five; their asses, six thousand seven hundred and twenty.

Neh’ 69. Their camels, four hundred thirty and five: six thousand seven hundred and twenty asses.


Ezra 68-69. And some of the chief of the fathers, when they came to the house of the LORD which is at Jerusalem, offered freely for the house of God to set it up in his place: They gave after their ability unto the treasure of the work THREESCORE AND ONE THOUSAND DRAMS OF GOLD, AND FIVE THOUSAND POUND OF SILVER, AND ONE HUNDRED PRIEST’S GARMENTS.

Neh’ 70-72. And some of the chief of the fathers gave unto the work. The Tirshatha gave to the treasure a THOUSAND DRAMS OF GOLD, FIFTY BASONS, FIVE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PRIESTS’ GARMENTS.


Ezra 70. So the priests, and the Levites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities.

Neh’ 73. So the priests, and the Levites, and the porters, and the singers, and some of the people, and the singers, and some of the people, and the Nethinims, and all Israel, dwelt in their cities; AND WHEN THE SEVENTH MONTH CAME, the children of Israel were in their cities.

(Using the Bible Handbook as well as the King James Version to note the over 50 discrepancies in names and numbers. IMO, a couple of the names with slight spelling variations possibly doesn‘t need to be highlighted. Sometimes their highlighted, other times not. There are many other repetitious stories told in the Bible dealing with a good portion of discrepancies, many dealing with numbers and names, although none I‘ve found as long as these two pericopes, and with the sloppiness these two uncover.)

[ January 06, 2002: Message edited by: John the Atheist ]</p>

diana

John! Where the hell have you been? I've been worried sick...

Of course, all of these, um, apparent contradictions are due to the sloppiness of uninspired scribes and should not be held against what is obviously an otherwise inspired book. Right?

d

Mageth

Ah, but Ezra's referring to Joseph's genealogy, and Nehemiah to Mary's.

Theophage

This is two days old and no theists have a comment? hmmmmm......

diana

As always in theology, some things are better left ignored--until one is cornered like a rat in a trap, at which time one may say with confidence that God works in mysterious ways.

d

John the Atheist

Hey diana, good to see you again.
Just as long as you don’t blame, Geehovah,that’s all that is important. He’s got a short fuse, and a shitty disposition to boot.

Been working on my biz, so I had to shut it down for about six months. Occasionally I had time to read a few boards, so, I’ve seen what kind of mischief you get into. Hope things are going good for you out in CA.

John

John the Atheist

I think this is going to be one of those...

"Well...you're going to have to wait till you get to heaven to find this one out."

John

Asha'man

Any theist with a calculator want to check the total? I bet it isn't "forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore," unless you use "divinely inspired math."

Doug Schiffer

Once you have accepted Trinitarian math, with 3=1, then you can quickly derive that any numerical quantity is equal to any other numerical quantity. This relationship is only communitive over the field of the Christian bible, so the Christian can still criticize any numerical discrepancies in any OTHER religion or holy book

PS: I wonder if there are numerical discrepancies in say the Quran...

Hubzilla

John, you're taking them all out of context. Besides, it isn't ours to question. If the numbers appear inaccurate, I'm quite sure God has a good reason for it.

Maybe if you pray to God with all your heart, you will get the answer. Once you read with the Holy Spirit, all those apparent contradictions will go away. Just have faith, my brother. Because, with God, all things are possible.

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