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99Percent · 07-26-2002, 04:58 PM

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/07/24/bc.science.centipede.reut/index.html" target="_blank">New centipede found in Central Park</a>

Could this centipede have evolved through the human created isolation (for biodiversity) created in Central Park?

Mageth · 07-26-2002, 05:16 PM

Probably been around for a while (i.e. longer than us), and just now discovered.

Damn, they think it's a new genus, not just a new species.

quoting:

" "It's a new genus, and the group that it belongs to comes from Asia, so it's very strange to find it here. We assume from that that it was transported from Asia, but it hasn't been found there either, and that's strange," said Kefyn Catley, a professor at Rutgers University and one of the scientists who worked on the survey.

" "It's established as a breeding population, so it's obvious that it's been around for a while," Catley added. "

[ July 26, 2002: Message edited by: Mageth ]

tgamble · 07-26-2002, 05:43 PM

It's still a centipede! Nothing new!

MrDarwin · 07-27-2002, 05:58 AM

What creationist don't seem to get is just how damn many animal and plant species there are on this earth--we're still finding them, and nowhere near a confident final count. Even if we consider "genus" to be equivalent to "kind" there is still a huge number of "kinds".

This presents a problem for YECs because they have to either (1) account for all these creatures being on the ark, (2) admit that the vast majority of animal and plant species were never on the ark in the first place, or (3) claim a huge amount of change, diversification, and speciation since the flood (what most of us would call "evolution" but far more, and faster, than evolutionary biologists do in an equivalent period of time).

Non-praying Mantis · 07-27-2002, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tgamble:
It's still a centipede! Nothing new!

I suppose you think that centipedes are all one KIND!

Well, let me correct that right now. Centipedes are one of the more diverse non-insect terrestrial arthropod groups that exist. They consist of an entire CLASS of organisms, with at least 6-7 orders and probably around 10,000 species! (I don't have the exact numbers at my fingertips, but I could find out for you)

Yet, since creationists don't care much about arthropods in general, they see no problem in putting ALL of them in a few "kinds"

If you agree that centipedes are all one "kind" than I suspect that you think that MAMMALS (CLASS MAMMALIA) are all one "kind" as well!

NPM

tgamble · 07-27-2002, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Non-praying Mantis:


I suppose you think that centipedes are all one KIND!

Well, let me correct that right now. Centipedes are one of the more diverse non-insect terrestrial arthropod groups that exist. They consist of an entire CLASS of organisms, with at least 6-7 orders and probably around 10,000 species! (I don't have the exact numbers at my fingertips, but I could find out for you)

Yet, since creationists don't care much about arthropods in general, they see no problem in putting ALL of them in a few "kinds"

If you agree that centipedes are all one "kind" than I suspect that you think that MAMMALS (CLASS MAMMALIA) are all one "kind" as well!

NPM

I was mocking creationist stupidity. Not agreeing with it. That's their standard response to any speciation or transitional fossil found.

Undercurrent · 07-27-2002, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrDarwin:
What creationist don't seem to get is just how damn many animal and plant species there are on this earth--we're still finding them, and nowhere near a confident final count. Even if we consider "genus" to be equivalent to "kind" there is still a huge number of "kinds".

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Creationism is predecated on the notion that a four-year-old city dweller has a good grasp of the diversity of organisms there are on earth.

m.

Jesus Freak · 07-27-2002, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrDarwin:
What creationist don't seem to get is just how damn many animal and plant species there are on this earth--we're still finding them, and nowhere near a confident final count. Even if we consider "genus" to be equivalent to "kind" there is still a huge number of "kinds".

This presents a problem for YECs because they have to either (1) account for all these creatures being on the ark, (2) admit that the vast majority of animal and plant species were never on the ark in the first place, or (3) claim a huge amount of change, diversification, and speciation since the flood (what most of us would call "evolution" but far more, and faster, than evolutionary biologists do in an equivalent period of time).

Number 1, thats my final answer Regis.

Why is an exact number required?
I can't tell you the exact number of stars in the universe but I can tell you that all the stars are in the universe.

Coragyps · 07-28-2002, 06:18 AM

JF- The universe is just a little over 150 cubits long.....

Non-praying Mantis · 07-29-2002, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tgamble:

I was mocking creationist stupidity. Not agreeing with it. That's their standard response to any speciation or transitional fossil found.

My apologies, carry on.

NPM

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Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Probably been around for a while (i.e. longer than us), and just now discovered. Damn, they think it's a new genus, not just a new species. quoting: " "It's a new genus, and the group that it belongs to comes from Asia, so it's very strange to find it here. We assume from that that it was transported from Asia, but it hasn't been found there either, and that's strange," said Kefyn Catley, a professor at Rutgers University and one of the scientists who worked on the survey. " "It's established as a breeding population, so it's obvious that it's been around for a while," Catley added. " [ July 26, 2002: Message edited by: Mageth ]</p>

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07-26-2002, 05:43 PM	#3
tgamble Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. John's, Nfld. Canada Posts: 1,652	It's still a centipede! Nothing new!

07-27-2002, 05:58 AM	#4
MrDarwin Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,140	What creationist don't seem to get is just how damn many animal and plant species there are on this earth--we're still finding them, and nowhere near a confident final count. Even if we consider "genus" to be equivalent to "kind" there is still a huge number of "kinds". This presents a problem for YECs because they have to either (1) account for all these creatures being on the ark, (2) admit that the vast majority of animal and plant species were never on the ark in the first place, or (3) claim a huge amount of change, diversification, and speciation since the flood (what most of us would call "evolution" but far more, and faster, than evolutionary biologists do in an equivalent period of time).

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