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the_cave · 03-26-2003, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Justin70
I think it's very very clear that the god of the O.T. is quite a very different god from the one in the new. It's very clear by character and context.

? Except the authors of each were Jews. You might as well say that the god of Isaiah and the god of Deutero-Isaiah were "different gods". Or that the Apollo of the Iliad was different from the Apollo of the Periclean age. Why can't they be different aspects or understandings of one god?

the_cave · 03-26-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Carrie
So here's another one folks. I wonder how Christians explain the fact that the following things did not exist in the Old Testament, but did exist in the New Testament? Hmmm, I wonder what happened during the 400 year gap between Malachi and Matthew?

You should read the Old Testament Pseudepigraphia--most of which was written specifically during the period you describe. Besides, some say (and many Christians agree) that some of the OT books were in fact written after Malachi (Daniel, for example), not to mention the "Deuterocanonical" books (i.e. the Apocrypha), included in the Septuagint (the Jewish scriptures in Greek) and the Catholic OT.

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If Satan was prowling
around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour that whole time, shouldn�t they have also been warned about that?

Well, gee, there were certainly punishments for violating the Torah. These differences reflect different understandings of religiosity. As a Christian, I freely admit that.

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They learned about them from other cultures, during that 400 year �silence� in the Bible where God wasn�t telling them anything!

Sure (except they were also writing the pseudepigraphia, and developing new theology and creating new religious imagery of their own.)

happyboy · 03-26-2003, 03:51 PM

because the God of the old testament is a wildly out of control psychopath who preaches blind obediance and issues out pure physical punishments, and the God of the new testament is a very manic-depressive Deity that preaches love, yet threatens an after-death punishment. the two Gods are wildly dissimilar.

happyboy

Kosh · 03-26-2003, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by the_cave
? Except the authors of each were Jews. You might as well say that the god of Isaiah and the god of Deutero-Isaiah were "different gods". Or that the Apollo of the Iliad was different from the Apollo of the Periclean age. Why can't they be different aspects or understandings of one god?

This is unlikely. Are you aware of modern scholarship concerning the authorship of the NT? Would the Jews have written in Greek? If you're not aware of these things, I highly recommend Peter Kirby's Early Christian Writings

Carrie · 03-27-2003, 07:19 PM

Notice we have not heard anything in reply from Anime or Magus.
I wonder what they could say now to defend their point of view?

Sojourner553 · 03-28-2003, 07:53 PM

I also saw ZERO responses on heaven???

Why: Because going to an eternal heavenly existance AFTER DEATH was borrowed from the mystery religions centuries after the Old Testament was written.

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03-26-2003, 03:51 PM	#13
happyboy Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the border between here and there, WV Posts: 373	because the God of the old testament is a wildly out of control psychopath who preaches blind obediance and issues out pure physical punishments, and the God of the new testament is a very manic-depressive Deity that preaches love, yet threatens an after-death punishment. the two Gods are wildly dissimilar. happyboy

03-27-2003, 07:19 PM	#15
Carrie Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Midwest Posts: 424	Notice we have not heard anything in reply from Anime or Magus. I wonder what they could say now to defend their point of view?

03-28-2003, 07:53 PM	#16
Sojourner553 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern US Posts: 817	I also saw ZERO responses on heaven??? Why: Because going to an eternal heavenly existance AFTER DEATH was borrowed from the mystery religions centuries after the Old Testament was written.

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