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Old 06-24-2003, 02:38 PM   #21
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I think most of us would like to think there is one reality.

But reality is primarily subjective; it relies on perceptual apparatus that are themselves merely perceived and which are often faulty and may bear little or no relation to what is "out there."
Well, perhaps what we have here is a failure to communicate. Reality is real. It is, therefore, entirely objective. What is subjective is human perception. Further, there is only one reality, the one described in my post that immediately precedes yours.

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Many children, when they draw a person seeing, draw a cone of lines from the eye outward. They believe not that the eye receives light from the outside, but that the eye creates what it sees. This is pretty close to the truth.
I sincerely hope that the present generations of children are not being fed this "truth", as the mechanics of sight is absolutely known.
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Old 06-24-2003, 03:11 PM   #22
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1. There is one reality.
2. The reality you experience might not be representative of reality as a whole.
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3. You cannot come to know the truth about reality.

Seek and you shall find

Wheter or not you believe Jesus or God is real, have you tried searching?

Some say you need to meditate
Others say you don't need to meditate
I guess there are a billion ways to seek.

Some have said that they received the Truth

A sufi mystic was beheaded because he said he was the Truth i.e. Allah.

I say it Is possible to know the Truth

The Truth shall set you free





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Old 06-24-2003, 03:30 PM   #23
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The Truth shall set you free
Free from what?
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Old 06-24-2003, 03:35 PM   #24
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.. ...i do not think the beheaded sufi meant he was G-d. He/she was probably so profoundly immersed in the concept of Oneness of G-d that it just emanated "wrongly".
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Free from what?

That is actually a very very good question!
Do you know?

.. ...i do not think the beheaded sufi meant he was G-d. He/she was probably so profoundly immersed in the concept of Oneness of G-d that it just emanated "wrongly".

Well, suffice to say that those around him beheaded him for that reason.

Maybe he did mean it, as Jesus meant it and many others like the sufi meant it

Who knows? The Sufi can't answer with his physical body.




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Old 06-24-2003, 03:50 PM   #26
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Free from what?

That is actually a very very good question!
Do you know?
You posted "The Truth shall set you free", I'm asking you!
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Old 06-24-2003, 04:09 PM   #27
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You posted "The Truth shall set you free", I'm asking you!

Fair enough. One thing I can link it to is the Laws of Karma, that if you know the Truth you are free of the Laws of Karma, essentially in its extreme interpretation- Absolute freewill.





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.....the Laws of Karma, that if you know the Truth you are free of the Laws of Karma
Well, that just about wraps it up for the laws of Karma, then.
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Yes I guess, it also includes gravity and such!




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Old 06-25-2003, 06:03 AM   #30
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Seek and you shall find
No, you won't "find", and that was the point of my post. The most you can find is your own subjective view of reality, which is seperate from reality as a whole.


[/B][/QUOTE] Some say you need to meditate
Others say you don't need to meditate
I guess there are a billion ways to seek.

Some have said that they received the Truth

A sufi mystic was beheaded because he said he was the Truth i.e. Allah.

I say it Is possible to know the Truth

The Truth shall set you free[/B][/QUOTE]

All your thoughts are your thoughts alone. They may or may not have any bearing on actual truth, and in truth, you will never know for sure.
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