Amos

The only thing said was that if we ate from the Tree of Knowledge we would know that we will die.All you logicians can figure out that this is not a Barbara (AAA).

The distinction here is between living our life while counting in fragments of time, as opposed to living our life in the fulness of time. We can be happy in both modes of existence and in fact we can be much happier without religion than having to live in fear of death as presented by some religions.

The benefit of a properly aimed religion is that it can and will snare eternal life for its believers who so can enjoy the fulness of life for the rest of their days now spend in eternity. Notice the "days" here to indicate that, as many have said, nothing changes except our taste for the goodies of life that we can enjoy without sickness or pain, because we have the full capacity to enjoy the same.

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Starboy

Amos, do you live in eternity? Is that in Canada?

Bible Humper

Hey there Amos, what's up!

What to you see the "Tree of Knowledge" as being? Surely you don't imagine a magic apple tree, so what are the tree and the fruit really?

The benefit of a properly aimed religion is that it can and will snare eternal life for its believers who so can enjoy the fulness of life for the rest of their days while spend in eternity.

"A properly aimed religion"? This sounds like you are saying that there are multiple. Is Catholicism one religion of many which are "properly aimed"?

Thanks bud

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Amos

It certainly is not an Starboy's head.

Amos

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That is your conscious mind. Outside of your conscious mind good and evil does not exist.

The tree is the blank slate, obviously, and the apple is whatever pleased the eye to become a rational observation. Inother words, whatever set the conscious mind in motion. Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism and also many mystery pagan religions but never protestantism or any rational religion that has social appeal.

Bible Humper

So "eating the apple" was evolving a brain capable of consciousness?


Surely not Protestantism!

Is Mithraism one of these mystery religions mentioned? How do you interpret Mithraisms many parallels with Xianity, especially since it predates it?

Thanks Amos.

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Amos

Hi Humper, you have to understand that there is no history in the bible. Gen. took place in your mind and the fall of man took place in your mind when your conscious mind first became an active part of your mind. First electric activity takes place at about three months after conception. Keep in ming here that Gen. was written to start a new mythology loooooong after people had other, perhaps more primitve, mythologies. That is why the young earth concept exists in our mythology.

So yes, our conscious mind is/was the blank slate whereupon we built our exterior castle.

Mithraism was just an earlier mythology that served well in its days but no doubt was too sluggish and Judaism could improve on it and did.
Judaism is vry clever mythology and Catholicsm improved on Judaism again and the split in Catholicism between East and West made the Western branch much more aggressive but also more vulnerable towards heresy and therefore the Reformation came which was not preventable but is just sign of maturity before the fall of our civilization (the bastards). Civilizations rise and fall and they must reach a climax before they fall and the renaissance period was our climax. This was true in Russia as well and the height of its artistic period was also just before their fall.

A good allegory, such as the flood, will always serve well and can very easy be incorporated in different mythologies.

Starboy

Does that mean that Canada is not in my head?

WWSD

Amos,
That is a great line, mind if I quote you?
I think I'm beginning to understand your unique point of view. Not sure if I should be worried about that or not...

Anyway, how does one live in the fullness of time exactly?
That sounds very Zen to me, and almost seems parallel to what many mystics say they experience during deep meditation.
They say that they cannot accuratly describe thier experiences because of the limitations of language, and I can understand that as I have experieced something similar, or so I thought. I can never quite get the words right when I try to explain it to someone else.

Is that true for your own experiences? Thus we have a hard time following you from time to time due to the rather esoteric nature of your own experiences with mysticism?

How's the weather up there in Canada BTW?

Amos

Go ahead, but here's a better line: "When the ego raptures that which remains is in heaven."

The fullness of time is after the ego has raptured
because time-as-such is only known to the ego consciousness of man (roughly our left brain and maybe more like our lymbic system).

Yes it is more like Zen Catholicism but I am not a mystic and never go into trances or ahumm postitions to induce mystical thoughts.

I real life the fullness of time is our when rational left brain has been placed subservient to our intuition. In the bible this is called "walking on water" and in Catholicism it is called the Coronation of Mary who is the celestial sea, our soul, our woman, our entire litany of blessings and therefore 'our all' (protestants haven't figured this out yet).

As for me? I would rather remain outside of my arguments and just write for fun. I am a critic and can rationalize lyric poetry and most mystical experiences.

Winter came early this fall but next week is supposed to be nice. I am from Alberta.