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Ronin · 07-18-2003, 10:30 AM

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I thin he sounds like an utter, utter prick. He's kicked some people while they were down, how can you crow over that?

Hey, don't shoot the messenger.

Hell is the loving tradition of the christian dogma.

Being 'up' or 'down' will not change the concept one bit.

Both priest and preacher were just being clear and open about the cruel nature of their belief.

Opera Nut · 07-18-2003, 07:26 PM

"The problem with our Baptists is that we do not hold them under water long enough."

--- William C. Brann, publisher of the newspaper The Iconoclast, of Waco, Texas (Vatican City of the Babtists), 1899.

He got plugged in the middle of Main Street for his comments, in the year 1900. However, he got off a good shot at his assailant before he died, and dispatched his assailant to Heaven(we presume).

Roland98 · 07-18-2003, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by Ronin
Hey, don't shoot the messenger.

Hell is the loving tradition of the christian dogma.

Being 'up' or 'down' will not change the concept one bit.

Both priest and preacher were just being clear and open about the cruel nature of their belief.

Certianly, but there is a time and a place, and it's not at the funeral of a loved one. Particularly in the first article, where it says that he'd only quit attending church due to his health. I have to agree that the priest was a prick.

Opera Nut · 07-18-2003, 08:36 PM

Maybe if these cruel preachers would get the crap beaten out of them more often, they might stop preaching that crap...or at least go away to the next town full of stupid suckers that tolerate it.

mark9950 · 07-18-2003, 08:44 PM

Hes dead six feet under.

I think that an atheist should help comfort them and have them understand that the bible is a myth and prove it,Also assure the family that the deceased is just lifeless and dead not burning in an ever burning hell.

After they collect their money from the suit.

After what the priest did,they may be set free from the stupid religion.I am.

I would but I live in the midwest.

BioBeing · 07-18-2003, 09:09 PM

What is religion if not a crutch for some people in their time of need? The preachers may have been "telling it like it is", but couldn't their job be described in part in providing sollace for the needy. A hospital chaplain who told all of his cancer patients for example that they deserved to die would soon find himself out of a job...

Doctor X · 07-19-2003, 12:06 AM

If the priest stated this, he should be dismissed.

Any money paid to the Church for the funeral/wake should be returned.

That is that.

--J.D.

Primordial Groove · 07-20-2003, 05:57 AM

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"the Lord vomited people like Ben out of his mouth to hell".

LOL

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Nine members of the Martinez family are seeking punitive and compensatory damages for severe emotional and physical suffering.

Nothing a few Hail Mary's can't cure.

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One of the plaintiffs says the townspeople "are staring at her, thinking her father is in hell".

Hey sweetheart, it's your religion. Deal with the consequences.

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"the Lord vomited people like Ben out of his mouth to hell".

LOL

Sabine Grant · 07-20-2003, 01:22 PM

Bonjour Ronin..... what would Jesus say?
From Matthew 25 .... " Away with you , you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons! for I was hungry and you did not feed me. I was thirsty and you did not give me anything to drink. I was a stranger and you did not invite me into your home. I was naked and you gave me no clothing. I was sick or in prison and you did not visit me"
"Then they will reply, " Lord when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and not help you?" And he will answer " I assure you when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me" And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the rigtheous will go into eternal life"

So... Ronin... why should anyone pay attention to the judgement of a minister preacher or priest over another man?

Beetle · 07-20-2003, 02:27 PM

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so now nine members of the Martinez family are seeking punitive and compensatory damages for severe emotional and physical suffering.

Doesn't the family realize that when you're sent "straight to hell" you do not pass "Go" and do not collect $200? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

07-18-2003, 07:26 PM	#12
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	Semi-relevant Smart Assed Comment "The problem with our Baptists is that we do not hold them under water long enough." --- William C. Brann, publisher of the newspaper The Iconoclast, of Waco, Texas (Vatican City of the Babtists), 1899. He got plugged in the middle of Main Street for his comments, in the year 1900. However, he got off a good shot at his assailant before he died, and dispatched his assailant to Heaven(we presume).

07-18-2003, 08:36 PM	#14
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	Idea! Maybe if these cruel preachers would get the crap beaten out of them more often, they might stop preaching that crap...or at least go away to the next town full of stupid suckers that tolerate it.

07-18-2003, 08:44 PM	#15
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Hes in hell alright Hes dead six feet under. I think that an atheist should help comfort them and have them understand that the bible is a myth and prove it,Also assure the family that the deceased is just lifeless and dead not burning in an ever burning hell. After they collect their money from the suit. After what the priest did,they may be set free from the stupid religion.I am. I would but I live in the midwest.

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07-18-2003, 09:09 PM	#16
BioBeing Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 6,004	What is religion if not a crutch for some people in their time of need? The preachers may have been "telling it like it is", but couldn't their job be described in part in providing sollace for the needy. A hospital chaplain who told all of his cancer patients for example that they deserved to die would soon find himself out of a job...

07-19-2003, 12:06 AM	#17
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	If the priest stated this, he should be dismissed. Any money paid to the Church for the funeral/wake should be returned. That is that. --J.D.

07-20-2003, 01:22 PM	#19
Sabine Grant Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 32,364	Bonjour Ronin..... what would Jesus say? From Matthew 25 .... " Away with you , you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons! for I was hungry and you did not feed me. I was thirsty and you did not give me anything to drink. I was a stranger and you did not invite me into your home. I was naked and you gave me no clothing. I was sick or in prison and you did not visit me" "Then they will reply, " Lord when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and not help you?" And he will answer " I assure you when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me" And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the rigtheous will go into eternal life" So... Ronin... why should anyone pay attention to the judgement of a minister preacher or priest over another man?

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