KC

I ordered one for my oldest daughter to wear to high school... heh heh.

KC

KnightWhoSaysNi

Project Steve has already riled up the feathers of some at ARN.

Mike Gene writes:

Nick Tamzek responded:

Valentine Pontifex

A segment of the previously quoted Mike Gene material:

At the risk of being anal, I might point out MG is not accurately representing the Steves statement:

There is a difference between "the major mechanism" and "a major mechanism." Furthermore the Steves statement does not mention the flagellum. While I am sure that the vast majority of Steves would certainly agree that NS is involved with the evolution of the flagellum, that is not what they signed.

I think that this distinction should considered if only because there are some aspects of evolution which selection might not be the dominate factor. If we allow Gene's misreading then evolution deniers can point to such a case, point to a Steve who pointed out a non-selection factor, and false claim that the Steve has contradicted himself. Also we don't want to let them say the statement was for some sort of selection is everything declaration. The Steves statement says the selection is
a major factor in evolution; not that it is the only one.

Of course Nick's response that was quoted is absolutely correct as well. Gene is certainly pulling an argument from ignorance.

S2Focus

(BTTN = Beverage Through The Nose)

Here's an amusing response to "Project Steve" as reported in this agapepress.org article :


Jody Sjogren, with the pro-intelligent design group Science Excellence for All Ohioans, says it is clear evolutionists are taking desperate measures to justify their theory.

"They've run out of ammunition," she says. "If this is all they can come up with, it doesn't say anything more for their theory -- and it shows a certain amount of fear that students, teachers, parents, and citizens alike are expressing curiosity and interest in intelligent design."

Sjogran says evolutionists are adamantly opposed to diversity of thought in school science standards.

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Sjogren says Darwinists are making themselves increasingly irrelevant with their approach to the origin of life, and she believes their intellectual monopoly over the issue is eroding quickly. She believes that as people look more closely at the theory of intelligent design, they will find it is a very scientific and objective method of determining the cause for the origin of life.


(Now don't blame me if you burned out your sinuses with hot coffee -- you were warned!)

Silent Dave

Well, how many of those students, teachers, parents and citizens are PhDs named Steve?

And if this person misconstrues a tongue-in-cheek response to a specific creationist argument as a desperate last effort of some sort -- and probably deliberately -- then who is it, exactly, that's run out of ammunition?


Dave

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ

Angus who?

theyeti

That's hillarious. Note in particular that this is a completely generic response. There was not one acknowledgement of Project Steve, how it demonstrates scientific support for evolution, or how it demonstrates the irrelevancy of their own precious list. This "rebuttal" could have been used in response to absolutely anything released by the NCSE. I wouldn't be surprised if Sjogran simply keeps this statement saved in a computer file to be used at the next opportunity, regardless of the issue. A robot could do as much.

theyeti

hezekiah jones

"... the intelligent design movement, which has made inroads recently in the State of Ohio."

Oh bullshit. That nonsense was specifically excluded from the curriculum.

RufusAtticus

ID didn't get any inroads in Georgia Schools either. Although the politicians on the Cobb County school board posted a resoultion to get it into schools, the superintendent implemented the policy such that it prevents anything but science from being discussed in science classrooms.

scombrid

Those boners didn't even get the joke.