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tgamble · 12-09-2002, 05:02 PM

"Originally posted by Bettawrekonize:

Oh, and I have a hypothesis about the fire breathing dragons (assuming they existed). Somebody (somewhere around the 1960�s I think) came up with a car that runs on water. The oil companies paid this person money so that he wouldn�t sell these cars (and I think they also tried to kill him to prevent him from selling these cars). Basically, how this car works is it separates the hydrogen from the oxygen, burns the hydrogen and uses the oxygen (because fire needs oxygen to burn). This is not only much faster (and more powerful) than regular gas cars, but it�s also much more fuel - efficient. Right now there are companies that have torches that use water as fuel. These torches are much hotter and much more fuel � efficient than gas torches. It�s possible that dragons took water, separated the hydrogen from the oxygen, burned the hydrogen and used the oxygen (because fire needs oxygen to burn)."
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Doubting Didymus · 12-09-2002, 05:12 PM

I see dragon apologetics all the time. I don't know why. There is the 'theory' that dragon boned were a lightweight honeycomb lattice filled with helium, which allowed them to fly with such small wings and to breath fire as well.

I don't know why people need to believe in dragons, but it's as widespread as all buggery.

tgamble · 12-09-2002, 05:23 PM

I'm not stupid enough to believe it but I'm not smart enough to know exactly why it's BS.

i'm just going on the inference that if it were that easy to power a car, more than one guy would have come up with it.

Doubting Didymus · 12-09-2002, 05:39 PM

The thing is, it might be entirely possible. Its the abscence of any evidence that clinches the matter for me.

Flying, fire breating dragons might be logically possible beings, but uless there is some evidence to suggest they eve lived, I may as well postulate giant intelligent flying jellyfish that can't fossilise because they melt too quickly.

Autonemesis · 12-09-2002, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by tgamble:
I'm not stupid enough to believe it but I'm not smart enough to know exactly why it's BS.

It takes more energy to split a water molecule than is released by recombining hydrogen and oxygen by combustion. You'd have a net energy loss in a system like that. It's another variation on a (fraudulent) perpetual motion machine, for what is the exhaust of hydrogen combustion? Water... which you can condense and re-use as fuel, and...

Nickle · 12-09-2002, 06:05 PM

Well, perpetual motion machine work, the evidence has just been covered up by those damn oil companies (and probably the JFK assasins).

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ · 12-09-2002, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Kind Bud:


It takes more energy to split a water molecule than is released by recombining hydrogen and oxygen by combustion. You'd have a net energy loss in a system like that. It's another variation on a (fraudulent) perpetual motion machine, for what is the exhaust of hydrogen combustion? Water... which you can condense and re-use as fuel, and...

Damn, beat me to it.

Yeah, it is utter bullshit. And the oil company thing with the hydrogen car is also bullshit and a half. What he's referring to is an engine that was designed to only be (essentially) one-stroke, meaning that there is a huge power saving, thus being much more fuel efficient. The oil/auto companies bought the patents up and never let it see the light of day.

tgamble · 12-10-2002, 03:15 AM

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Originally posted by Jesus Christ:


Damn, beat me to it.

Yeah, it is utter bullshit. And the oil company thing with the hydrogen car is also bullshit and a half. What he's referring to is an engine that was designed to only be (essentially) one-stroke, meaning that there is a huge power saving, thus being much more fuel efficient. The oil/auto companies bought the patents up and never let it see the light of day.

So how do you know about it?

Jack the Bodiless · 12-10-2002, 03:44 AM

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Originally posted by Kind Bud:

It takes more energy to split a water molecule than is released by recombining hydrogen and oxygen by combustion. You'd have a net energy loss in a system like that.

According to thermodynamics, yes.

But I don't believe in thermodynamics, because it contradicts evolution.

Boro Nut · 12-10-2002, 03:58 AM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus:
I don't know why people need to believe in dragons, but it's as widespread as all buggery.

This suggests all buggery is restricted to the island of Kimodo, which I personally know is not true.

Boro Nut

12-09-2002, 05:02 PM	#1
tgamble Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. John's, Nfld. Canada Posts: 1,652	So nutty it had to be shared. "Originally posted by Bettawrekonize: Oh, and I have a hypothesis about the fire breathing dragons (assuming they existed). Somebody (somewhere around the 1960�s I think) came up with a car that runs on water. The oil companies paid this person money so that he wouldn�t sell these cars (and I think they also tried to kill him to prevent him from selling these cars). Basically, how this car works is it separates the hydrogen from the oxygen, burns the hydrogen and uses the oxygen (because fire needs oxygen to burn). This is not only much faster (and more powerful) than regular gas cars, but it�s also much more fuel - efficient. Right now there are companies that have torches that use water as fuel. These torches are much hotter and much more fuel � efficient than gas torches. It�s possible that dragons took water, separated the hydrogen from the oxygen, burned the hydrogen and used the oxygen (because fire needs oxygen to burn)." <a href="http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000060-3.html"" target="_blank">http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000060-3.html"</a> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

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12-09-2002, 05:12 PM	#2
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	I see dragon apologetics all the time. I don't know why. There is the 'theory' that dragon boned were a lightweight honeycomb lattice filled with helium, which allowed them to fly with such small wings and to breath fire as well. I don't know why people need to believe in dragons, but it's as widespread as all buggery.

12-09-2002, 05:23 PM	#3
tgamble Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. John's, Nfld. Canada Posts: 1,652	I'm not stupid enough to believe it but I'm not smart enough to know exactly why it's BS. i'm just going on the inference that if it were that easy to power a car, more than one guy would have come up with it.

12-09-2002, 05:39 PM	#4
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	The thing is, it might be entirely possible. Its the abscence of any evidence that clinches the matter for me. Flying, fire breating dragons might be logically possible beings, but uless there is some evidence to suggest they eve lived, I may as well postulate giant intelligent flying jellyfish that can't fossilise because they melt too quickly.

12-09-2002, 06:05 PM	#6
Nickle Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 385	Well, perpetual motion machine work, the evidence has just been covered up by those damn oil companies (and probably the JFK assasins).

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