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Bane · 04-27-2002, 05:13 PM

according to this tool on theforce.net forums.

Quote:

"Life has no authentic meaning."

"There are no moral absolutes or imperatives."

This is what is at the underlying core of much of todays intrinisic world message. The pontificating adherents to much of the atheistic 'tenets' have much to do with these atrocities at their most fundamental levels. It is the logical devaluation of the human being, by extension to the obvious conclusion.
It is the shearing of meaning into anarchistic pointlessness.

We are taught that all life is merely an arbitrary happenstance, accidentally occuring in some temporally distant prehistory in some theoretically ambiguous primordial soup's ooze. This inauthenticates any real relevance to life. Any pretense to meaning becomes a sham. This is the 'truth' our children are given.

In the midst of the Columbine massacre Cassie Bernall was asked if she believed in God, to which she assented and for which she was summarily shot through her head.

(God was the enemy. On an extremely deep and fundamental level in the self-deduced/concluded philosophy of the murderers.If there was a 'God', then there was actual meaning, but the killers knew only pain in the absence of true meaning and the value it would necessitate if real. 'Man is made in the image of God', thusly man becomes the surrogate for diety in this instance.)

That, folks, is the message from the killers themselves.

Later on in the thread of course they use Nietzsche's writings to show how Hitler was influenced by them. I haven't read any of Nietzsche's writings so I was hoping someone who has could address the bs these tools are spouting. Plus I'm too pissed off to debate. I'll just end up flaming these morons. Here's the thread if you are interested:

<a href="http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=6605366&replies=47" target="_blank">Theforce.net</a>

<a href="http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=6605366&page=2" target="_blank">Theforce.net page two</a>

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cydonia · 04-27-2002, 06:00 PM

Wow, i guess i'll have to read that thread. I've never seen you this upset, Bane. I guess Jesus' presence just wasn't strong enough during the shooting.

[ April 27, 2002: Message edited by: cydonia ]</p>

Bane · 04-27-2002, 06:16 PM

Well, if I were to equate all these school shootings to christianity I would be flamed like I have never been flamed before on the JC. I'm pissed off so I'd like someone from here with a clearer mind and better knowledge of philosophers and their writing to address this bs.

It's amusing to see AJA and the other kook argue like christianity is a fact.

Hitler isn't a christian even though he claims to be one. Sounds like a job for the "not a true Scotsman fallacy!"

cydonia · 04-27-2002, 06:27 PM

Yeah, but you can't win with stuff like this. Either Jesus was lacking in someone's life, or the person may have claimed to be christian but wasn't a real christian. As far as i can tell hitler was a real christian, at least he thought so.

It's an easy way to take any blame off their tradition. Their religion is never responsible for anything, but the lack of their religion is responsible for everything. So they can never lose.

cydonia · 04-27-2002, 06:31 PM

Damn, i said religion. I meant "Relationship!" I keep forgetting christians hate religion, too.

Bane · 04-27-2002, 06:49 PM

I think we both need a "relationship" with some hot women.

It boggles my mind that these guys can't realize that during the Dark Ages when christianity was involved in everything we had the Inquisition(every country in Europe had one I believe?) and the slaughter of thousands of people. Must not have been True(tm) Christians.

That's why I don't post much in the senate anymore. I get tired of seeing the same old bs.

[ April 27, 2002: Message edited by: Bane ]</p>

case · 04-28-2002, 02:13 AM

Hey, let's not forget the Crusades. But I suppose that was Islam's fault...

philechat · 04-28-2002, 06:25 AM

And then it was also the Native Americans' fault when the Christians slashed them?

"It's right to kill them, for they refused to accept Lord JC as their savior!"

Doh.

[ April 28, 2002: Message edited by: philechat ]</p>

JL · 04-28-2002, 06:58 AM

Reference Human All Too Human passage 473 for Nietzsche's rather chilling examination of socialism's nature and consequences. And ironically, two passages later he is speaking against anti-semites of the day, as well as the dangers of forced nationalism.

His writings are extensive and sometimes purposely obscure. I believe he included 'traps' of sorts for careless people who wish only to find justification for their own self-indulgent fantasies. So if you're trying to find reasons (or an absence of them) for anything under the sun really, its not that difficult. But conversely the same could be said for the Bible.

If people want to demonize Nietzsche let them. If they aren't capable of following him they're better off steering clear of him. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

lpetrich · 04-28-2002, 08:23 PM

Actually, here is something in the Bible that can be considered precedent for school shootings: Jesus Christ cursing a certain fig tree when it had not borne figs for him when he was hungry.

Matthew 21:18-22
Mark 11:12-14

If JC has a right to kill for no good reason, then why not high-school students?

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04-27-2002, 06:00 PM	#2
cydonia Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: southern california Posts: 1,002	Wow, i guess i'll have to read that thread. I've never seen you this upset, Bane. I guess Jesus' presence just wasn't strong enough during the shooting. [ April 27, 2002: Message edited by: cydonia ]</p>

04-27-2002, 06:16 PM	#3
Bane Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 180	Well, if I were to equate all these school shootings to christianity I would be flamed like I have never been flamed before on the JC. I'm pissed off so I'd like someone from here with a clearer mind and better knowledge of philosophers and their writing to address this bs. It's amusing to see AJA and the other kook argue like christianity is a fact. Hitler isn't a christian even though he claims to be one. Sounds like a job for the "not a true Scotsman fallacy!"

04-27-2002, 06:27 PM	#4
cydonia Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: southern california Posts: 1,002	Yeah, but you can't win with stuff like this. Either Jesus was lacking in someone's life, or the person may have claimed to be christian but wasn't a real christian. As far as i can tell hitler was a real christian, at least he thought so. It's an easy way to take any blame off their tradition. Their religion is never responsible for anything, but the lack of their religion is responsible for everything. So they can never lose.

04-27-2002, 06:31 PM	#5
cydonia Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: southern california Posts: 1,002	Damn, i said religion. I meant "Relationship!" I keep forgetting christians hate religion, too.

04-27-2002, 06:49 PM	#6
Bane Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 180	I think we both need a "relationship" with some hot women. It boggles my mind that these guys can't realize that during the Dark Ages when christianity was involved in everything we had the Inquisition(every country in Europe had one I believe?) and the slaughter of thousands of people. Must not have been True(tm) Christians. That's why I don't post much in the senate anymore. I get tired of seeing the same old bs. [ April 27, 2002: Message edited by: Bane ]</p>

04-28-2002, 02:13 AM	#7
case Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 420	Hey, let's not forget the Crusades. But I suppose that was Islam's fault...

04-28-2002, 06:25 AM	#8
philechat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mind of the Other Posts: 886	And then it was also the Native Americans' fault when the Christians slashed them? "It's right to kill them, for they refused to accept Lord JC as their savior!" Doh. [ April 28, 2002: Message edited by: philechat ]</p>

04-28-2002, 06:58 AM	#9
JL Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mawkish Virtue, NC Posts: 151	Reference Human All Too Human passage 473 for Nietzsche's rather chilling examination of socialism's nature and consequences. And ironically, two passages later he is speaking against anti-semites of the day, as well as the dangers of forced nationalism. His writings are extensive and sometimes purposely obscure. I believe he included 'traps' of sorts for careless people who wish only to find justification for their own self-indulgent fantasies. So if you're trying to find reasons (or an absence of them) for anything under the sun really, its not that difficult. But conversely the same could be said for the Bible. If people want to demonize Nietzsche let them. If they aren't capable of following him they're better off steering clear of him. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

04-28-2002, 08:23 PM	#10
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Actually, here is something in the Bible that can be considered precedent for school shootings: Jesus Christ cursing a certain fig tree when it had not borne figs for him when he was hungry. Matthew 21:18-22 Mark 11:12-14 If JC has a right to kill for no good reason, then why not high-school students?

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