Dr Rick

"The fact remains Breast Cancer Rates have increased 40% since the National Right to Life Committee was founded, and the penumbra of stupidity used to push its agenda makes bias the order of public opinion."

In reality, the breast cancer rate increases have been studied extensively; most if not all of the increase is due to more widespread breast cancer screening efforts and the gradual aging of the American population since the 1970's.

scigirl

And scigirl says, "Pregnancy is much more deadly to women than an abortion."

Loren Pechtel

Don't you recognize that you've been blown out of the water by his post? I was considering a reply to him regarding the appropriateness of using a Tomahawk on a fly.

You continue to harp on the correlation without considering that there might be other factors. If there can be no other factors, then you accept that priests cause crime?

How about:

Earlier puberty, later menopause. That increases the number of monthly cycles and thus the risk.

Fewer children. Children are known to protect against breast cancer, having fewer would increase the risk.

Increased smoking. Smoking is linked to all sorts of cancers.

dk

Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
Don't you recognize that you've been blown out of the water by his post? I was considering a reply to him regarding the appropriateness of using a Tomahawk on a fly.

You continue to harp on the correlation without considering that there might be other factors. If there can be no other factors, then you accept that priests cause crime?

How about:

Loren Earlier puberty, later menopause. That increases the number of monthly cycles and thus the risk.
dk: Why do you think girls mature younger, and have you read any studies (hint fat raises estrogen levels)?

Loren Fewer children. Children are known to protect against breast cancer, having fewer would increase the risk.
dk: I think its fair to say delaying children increases the risk, but 40%, that's a tough sell. I wonder what role female hormones play.

Loren: Increased smoking. Smoking is linked to all sorts of cancers.
dk: I doubt smoking is primary factor, more women smoked in the 60s and 70s than the 90s.

Loren I really haven't a clue whether abortion and cancer are linked. I will say this, the pill and abortion fail to give women control over their bodies. There's a lot of women that suffer post abortion depression. There's a lot of hostility towards NAZI feminists in the general public.

Loren Pechtel

Loren Earlier puberty, later menopause. That increases the number of monthly cycles and thus the risk.
dk: Why do you think girls mature younger, and have you read any studies (hint fat raises estrogen levels)?
Loren: So? Even if true, fat isn't abortion.

Loren Fewer children. Children are known to protect against breast cancer, having fewer would increase the risk.
dk: I think its fair to say delaying children increases the risk, but 40%, that's a tough sell. I wonder what role female hormones play.
Loren: The point is that it's another causitive factor.

dk: Loren I really haven't a clue whether abortion and cancer are linked. I will say this, the pill and abortion fail to give women control over their bodies. There's a lot of women that suffer post abortion depression. There's a lot of hostility towards NAZI feminists in the general public.
Loren: They don't give perfect control but they give far better control than women used to have.

brighid

The pill certainly gives a woman more control over her reproductive choices then without it. As a woman who took the pill for many years I can it absolutely does give a woman a great degree control over her body.

There are also plenty of women who suffer from post partum depression (about 60%) ... should we prohibit women from getting pregnant because of it? There is even a subset of women who kill themselves and/or their children because of the after effects of post partum depression!

You mean abortion is a traumatic, difficult choice that might cause some women to regret having gotten pregnant in the first place? No ... you jest! No one says abortion is a choice that will make a woman happy, go-lucky and new. It is a very, very difficult choice. There are many difficult choices in life and many result in regret, depression and a sense of loss. That doesn't mean they weren't the right choice at the time.

The public has hostility against many things, mostly out of ignorance. Their hostilities say more about themselves then the groups they hate. So where are these feminazis?

Brighid

dk

Originally posted by brighid
The pill certainly gives a woman more control over her reproductive choices then without it. As a woman who took the pill for many years I can it absolutely does give a woman a great degree control over her body.
dk And what do you say to a woman that dies from estrogen poison a 35 years of age, did she have control. I'd samy you had the appearance of control, and the reality may turn out to be something quite different.

Originally posted by brighid
There are also plenty of women who suffer from post partum depression (about 60%) ... should we prohibit women from getting pregnant because of it? There is even a subset of women who kill themselves and/or their children because of the after effects of post partum depression!
dk Did you notice NOW jump all over the Yates trial, they spent big bucks to make the science up.
"Andrea Pia Yates is being tried for the brutal drowning murder of all five of her children, one by one in a bathtub in her Texas home. The National Organization of Women (NOW) has come to her defense, charging prosecutors with "callous refusal" to recognize that she was allegedly driven to kill by postpartum psychosis. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty in the Yates' case. " - NOW RALLIES SUPPORT FOR MURDEROUS TEXAS FACING DEATH PENALTY

That's exactly how special interest groups like NOW make science real. It has nothing to do with science but manipulation.

Originally posted by brighid
You mean abortion is a traumatic, difficult choice that might cause some women to regret having gotten pregnant in the first place? No ... you jest! No one says abortion is a choice that will make a woman happy, go-lucky and new. It is a very, very difficult choice. There are many difficult choices in life and many result in regret, depression and a sense of loss. That doesn't mean they weren't the right choice at the time.

The public has hostility against many things, mostly out of ignorance. Their hostilities say more about themselves then the groups they hate. So where are these feminazis?
dk For good reason.

Loren Pechtel

Are you trying to deny that she had severe post-partum depression?

She was being treated for it!!

dk

She was certainly psychotic, and under a doctors care. Some say she was an undiagnosed schizophrenic, some say she was bipolar, some say she had a psychotic reaction to medication. Two days before murdering her children she saw her doctor. He put her into a drug therapy class even though she had no history of drug abuse. I don't have a clue about Yates, I do know why NOW was interested in the Yates' case, they wanted to log abortion as a cure for post-partum depression. That's what happens when science and politics collide.

brighid

I don't know what I would say, but all medications have risks including death. They are clearly outlined in every single packet of pills anyone takes. I can't say I have ever heard of estrogen poison.

The fact that I did not have another child while still having sexual intercourse (for 10 years now) says I have exerted a great deal of control over my body and future. Is it possible that it will later come at a price? Quite possibly, but I knew that and I was willing to take that risk. There are no guarantees in life.



What are you talking about? I have researched Andrea Yates' case extensively. She was not undiagnosed in any respect. She had been diagnosed, hospitalized and previously treated for mental health issues and her doctors told her and her husband NOT to get pregnant again because her psychotic condition was continually exasberated by her pregnancies.

There have been a number of women in my neck of the woods who have committed suicide while being treated for post-partum depression. Having suffered from it myself I can tell you it is very real.

Here is some information about the more severe form of post-partum depression:


And about suicide and reoccurence:


http://www.obgyn.net/femalepatient/d...p?page=leopold

Here is another medical opinion: http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/200...postpartum.asp

So where are these feminazi's and why does the public "for good reason" hate them so much? Where is this elusive group of women?

I would say their reasons are no better then those who hate any group based on myth, misinformation and hatemongering. If they get their inaccurate information from the same places you do I don't doubt they feel they have "good reason", however in that sort of conclusion "good" and "reason" cannot, with any intellectual honesty or an ounce of integrity, be used in the same sentence.

Brighid