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Symbolism is a language of the soul. Symbols are figures of hidden, holy, secret meanings, not to grasp easy by the intellectual educated mind. Some of these hidden, holy, secret symbols are still hidden, holy and secret until today, respected by atheists as well as by skeptics. The reason is very simple; it is the respect to the ever-present holiness of living human sexuality. It is the joy, humans are perceiving from it, that a worship to it was respected to it in ancient times as well as it is respected in our age. Along with this hidden, holy and secret sexuality, there were always lacks of understanding about these hidden, holy and secret symbols of sexuality. This blindness has created phantoms, laws, wars, idols, devils, and a lot of nonsense. From this dead things were crated and misunderstood as 'holy', like books, mountains, rivers, waters, lands, cities, houses, places or the stony planets in the sky. The soul, that has an experience with the sexuality perceived in the own body, perceives this not as a result of books, science, or social laws; it is a very individual experience. No church, no government, no professor of QM and no father or mother can replace and occupy the own experience of sexuality of an individual. The experience is an explicit very own experience, it needs no curious belief system, and no curious infidelity system; the experience is. Because of the respect to the hidden, holy and secret sexuality of humans, a lot of confusion has taken place. The respect has resulted in nebulous symbols of this object of sexuality instead of a clear - clean - speech or clear - clean - words, and since ancient times people have expressed their joy from sexuality in figures of myths using symbols that hide the respectfully things in this way. Until today a lot of people searching on the literal objects like idols or gods, while the hidden meaning of symbols are rejected as 'scientifically irrelevant' and curious. But there are a lot of symbols in the history of myths, which are misunderstood, and I think, it is helpful to uncover some - respectfully, because all these things have abused from stupid religious authorities for long time to suppress the holy existence of the individual in all religions and to suppress the knowledge - the strongest weapon against social power claims from stupid religious authorities all over the world.

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The tree of life is known in many cultures, for example in Sumer, Judaism, or northern Europe, but no one do really know, what it means. It is a symbol, that does hide that, what most people do know as male penis.

The penis as holy instrument is also worshiped in the Hindu culture as a tool of 'creation of life' using the symbol of the Mt. Kailash, because of its form.





Mt. Kailash is related to the principle of Shiva, as a 'giver of life' but also as one who 'destroy life'. Mt. Kailash is the origin of four rivers, which coming from the ‘head’ of Shiva. And Shiva is sitting there with his wife Parvati. The phallic symbol of Shiva is also preserved in Islam as buildings as one can see in picture of the Kaaba in Mecca from the last century.



‘Mt. Kailash buildings’ in Mecca right next to the Kaaba.

The well known Hebrew AMEN is equal to the Sanskrit ‘OMM’ which word has developed as one can see fom this figure:



The present form of writing is on the left. The joy of the origin meaning of ‘OMM’ is also meant in the well-known Sanskrit sentence: ‘Omm mani padme hum’.

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which literal means: ‘Oh you jewel in the lotus ‘blossum’. But the hidden meaning of it is the joy of the feeling of the penis (Linga= jewel) in the vulva (lotus blossum).

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Sanskrit word ‘Omm’.

The Sumerian word for woman is . And on a figure on a wall in India a symbol from Hinduism this word ‘Omm’ is centered in the connection of the female symbol and the male symbol.

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From this one can understand, that the so called Star of David is not a symbol from Judaism, but a symbol form the vedic religion of the ancient India, that is worshiping the reunion of man and wife.

Shiva is preserved in the Hebrew Genesis as chavvah ( Hebrew: “life-giver”) as the female life together with the Hebrew chayim (‘Life’), the Hebrew ‘tree of life’ is then etz chayim, were the Hebrew etz is a ‘tree’. Hebrew ets (ates) is a tree, but also a stick or a stock. And still in Hebrew slang Zayim means penis. The Hebrew words Ganah, ginnah, gynh, gan, with the meaning and symbol of 'garden', is related to the Sanskrit word 'yin', which means "female" and 'yoni' (Sanskit) which is the "the female genital" - 'yang' means male, and linga/lingam is the male genital. Still the sex of the ancient time is present in out today word genital, coming from the Hebrew gan and Sanskrit 'yoni'.

Because of the Sumerian writing the origin are picture symbols, we find, that gis or gish is a penis as well as a tree.

The Sumerian word Nin_gish_zi_ da means 'giving life from the penis’ but also ‘giving life from a tree’. Nin_gish_zi_da is equal to ‘Du_mu_zi’, what is known in Hebrew as Tammuz and means "son/man who is life. The Sumerian Zi or ti means ‘life’. Zi is also the Sumerian "Breath of life" and Nin-ti is the Sumerian "she who makes live", where Nin is often related to a woman, but also to the meaning of ‘giving’ or ‘supporter’. Nin-Tu is the Sumerein ‘birth-giver’. The Sumerian GIS_NU means ‘bed’, and GISH_TIL is the Sumerian "vehicle of life". Other relation are: gěš á-zi...e: "to commit rape" (gěš, 'penis', + 'violence' + 'to do'), gěš...dů: "to have sexual intercourse" (gěš, 'penis', + 'to plant'), gěš-nu-zu: "virgin (gěš, 'penis', + 'not' + zu, 'to know'), and gěš-zu: "having born young" (open gěš, 'penis', + zu, 'to know'). The Sumerian gardener who does 'water the trees' is nu-gish-kiri while garden is Gish-Kiri with Ki, what means ‘earth’ (‘enki’ = ‘God of the earth’). The symbol of ‘watering’ the ‘garden of joy’ or the connection of water and a tree is used in a lot of Sumerian myths, and from what there are Sumer clay table exist, showing this worshipping the tree.

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The ‘tree of life’ in Sumer. Winged figures carrying water are worshipping the ‘tree’. Seen is a bird in the top, mentioned in the epilog of the Gilgamesh epic.

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The ‘tree of life’ with a guard on the right.

A bird is also known in the Nordic ‘tree of life’ ‘ask Yggdrasil’ as a friend of Odin who lives in the top of the tree.

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The shape of the Nordic tree has a ‘big head’ as also many other figures, which have mostly all successful destroyed by the Christian church in the first 1000 years of CE.

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The symbol Tilmun of Sumer is the same symbol as the Hebrew gan eden, which most people do know as female vulva. The stories about this both hidden, holy and secret objects covered behind symbols are great and of a big number. Mostly all ancient myths describing the wonderful process, after two half of a soul have found a way to joy, peace, love and freedom, from spiritual isolation in world of mind, war and physical egoism. This process is unique in the world and no politics and no intelligence can replace it. Individuals and individual souls do have known this since ever, but because of the hidden, holy and secret properties of this dimension, there never was a real need, to lecture on this in public. There are houses with red lights, from the times, as red blood was painted on the doors, to sign, that here one can study these holy things from woman's.

The worship of the holy female symbol is a present ritual in Islam, but no one in Islam is realy aware of it. According to a preIslamic Tradition Muslim worship barefooted a special object on the eastern corner of the Kaaba in Mecca.

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Their destination is 'to kiss' and/or 'to touch' it. They are seeking refuge. Refuge from misery, refuge from death, refuge from greed of the heart. One prerequisite to this is washing the hands, washing the mouth inside, washing the nose inside, washing the face, washing the forearms and washing the feet.

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Man wearing only two white opaque clothes: One hip-cloth on the abdomen and one shoulder-cloth. Perfume is not allowed. (Woman wear usual Islam dress, which covers the body. The face must be free). The shoulder cloth is prepared under the right shoulder in a wise, that the right shoulder is free but the left shoulder covered.

'Gan Eden' is the Hebrew 'garden of joy', which is the female womb. It is told in Genesis, that the 'tree of life' is planted in midst in the garden of joy. This 'tree of life' is 'watering' the garden of joy'.

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'Tree' is in Sumerian 'gis' or 'gish', but this 'gis' means also 'penis' in Sumerian. 'Mu-tin' in Sumerian is “hawk, falcon”. But 'mu-tin' = 'geš-tin' also means “tree of life”, “man of life”, “the giver of life”.

What does the Akkadian word for hawk, falcon, kassűsu, mean?

“Kassűssu(m) ‘(hunting-)falcon, old/young Babylonian: Sumerian: súr-dŕmušen, mu-tin,mu-u-timušen = ka-su-su.” Soden, W. (1965:454).

So, what did the hawk or falcon, as the symbol of the first Sumero/Aryan king, their highest god, mean?

To the common people, it just meant the “hawk”, the “falcon”. But to those, initiated into the Sumero-Babylonian Mysteries, it meant: “The great Kush”. His name or title “Large Head”, or “Great Leader” is in Akkadian ašâredu. Ašâredu(m) “position of the foremost one, the most high-ranking one, first place”. And he was their “giver of life” (mu-tin, geš-tin). Soden, W. (1965:78).

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The 'tree of life' is also point of interest of a lady in the prolog of the epic of Gilgamesh. The qualities of it seems to be important for the lady.

"After heaven and earth had been separated and mankind had been created, after Anucircum, Enlil and Ereskigal had taken posesssion of heaven, earth and the underworld; after Enki had set sail for the underworld and the sea ebbed and flowed in honor of its lord; on this day, a huluppu tree which had been planted on the banks of the Euphrates and nourished by its waters was uprooted by the south wind and carried away by the Euphrates. A goddess who was wandering among the banks seized the swaying tree and -- at the behest of Anu and Enlil -- brought it to Inanna's (Venus) garden in Uruk. Inanna (Venus) tended the tree carefully and lovingly she hoped to have a throne and a bed made for herself from its wood. After ten years, the tree had matured. But in the meantime, she found to her dismay that her hopes could not be fulfilled because during that time a dragon had built its nest at the foot of the tree the Zu-bird was raising its young in the crown, and the demon Lilith had built her house in the middle. But Gilgamesh, who had heard of Inanna's plight, came to her rescue. He took his heavy shield killed the dragon with his heavy bronze axe, which weighed seven talents and seven minas. Then the Zu-bird flew into the mountains with its young, while Lilith, petrified with fear, tore down her house and fled into the wilderness."
(Kramer, Samuel Noah. "Gilgamesh and the Huluppu-Tree: A reconstructed Sumerian Text." Assyriological Studies of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago 10. Chicago: 1938.)



4 Rivers have its source in the Mt. Kailash in Tibet, equal to that, what is written in the Genesis.

All four rivers have a special meaning. The rivers streaming from Mt Kailash are named: Brahmaputra, Sutlej, Karlani and Ganges. The rivers streaming in the Hebrew Genesis in the 'Garden of joy' (from Hebrew: 'Gan Eden') are named: Pishon, Gihon, Hiddekel and Euphrat. "The way something comes into being" - Greeks called it: "Genesis". The symbolic meaning of the 4 rivers can be recognized, if one knows the meaning of the Hebrew names from book Genesis 2 www.tims.net/bible/kjv/genesis-2.htm: "And the Lord of the gods has let grown trees ... tempting to contemplation ... and he put the 'Tree of Life' inmidst of the 'garden of joy' ... In the 'garden of joy' a river is flowing, to water it. This (process) is sequenced in four phases:

The first phase is called Pishon, it means growing, increasing, enlarge.
Then a circle shaped hole (Havilah) is 'comprised' (cabab).
In the second phase something is 'bursting out' (Gihon).
In the third phase something is 'moving' (halak) 'a step' 'rapidly' (Chiddqel) 'forwards' (qidmah) (Ashshuwr).
In the fourth phase something is 'grow tired' or 'collapsing' or 'break down' (per-awth=EuPhrat www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STRHEB65.htm)."

No other tool as symbolism can decypher the hidden meaning of the eternal holy consciousness about the individual joy of men from its sexuality that is shielded in general from most secular noise.

The misunderstanding of the ‘tree of life’ as well as the ‘garden of joy’ (Hebrew: gan eden) was a violation to all brave humans from the religious teacher from most all religions. As it is taught by the myth of Sumerian ‘garden of joy’ named Tilmun or Dilmun very different effects are be known from it:

"The first known account of a paradisial garden appears on a cuneiform tablet from ancient Sumer. Here we learn of the mythical place called Dilmun doormann.tripod.com/dilmun1.htm, a pure, clean, bright place where sickness, violence, and old age do not exist. , however, is a paradise for the gods alone and not for human beings, although one learns that Ziusudra (= Utnapishtim, the Sumerian counterpart of Noah) was exceptionally admitted to the divine garden." (An Encyclopedia of Archetypal Symbolism)

They have told us for wrong, that we are no gods. Every being is part of god, because these spiritual ‘things’ have no location and no time; god is not a remote idea, it is a realizing individual consciousness, not grasp by the mind.

From a Sumerian clay table it is said:

1.Holy is [the place] where you are;
2.The mountain Dilmun is holy.
3.Holy is the place where you are;
4.......the mountain Dilmun is is holy.
5.The mountain Dilmun is holy, the mountain Dilmun is pure,
6.The mountain Dilmun is pure; the mountain Dilmun is brilliant.
7.Alone in Dilmun they lay down;
8.Where Enki and his consort lay,
9.That place is pure; that place is brilliant.
10.Where Enki and Ninella lay,
11.That Place is pure, that place is brilliant.
12.In Dilmun the raven cried not,
13.The dar-bird its dar-cry uttered not.
14.The deadly lion destroyed not,
15.The wolf a lamb seized not,
16.The dog the weak kid tore not,
17.The dun-animal (sow) the food-grain destroyed not,
18.The planned not for young off spring...
19.The birds of heaven their offspring hatched not,
20.Doves laid noteggs (?)_
21.Of eye-disease, "it is eye-disease," one said not;
22.Of headache, "it is headache," one said not.
23.To a mother, "mother," one said not,
24.To a father, "father," one said not.
25.In the holy place a libation was poured not; in the city one drank not;
26.The river-man "cross it?" said not;
27.The overseer filled no right hand;
28.The musician "sing," said not;
29.The prince of the city spoke not.
30.Ninella to her father Enki Said:
31."A city thoust founded, a city thou hast founded, its destiny thou hast fiexe;
32.In Dilmun a city thou has hast founded,
33.......thou hast founded a city,
34.........a canal there is not
35...;;;.....thou hast founded a city".

"It´s a heavy confusion. Veda, Koran, holiness, hell, woman, man,
a clay shot with air and sperm....
When the pot falls apart, what do you call it?
Numbskull! You missed the point.
It´s all one skin and bone, one piss and shit, one blood, one meat.
From one drop, a universe. Who´s Brahmin(priest)? Who´s Shudra (castless)?
Brahma rajas, Shiva tamas, Vishnu sattva...
Kabir says, plunge into Ram! There: No Hindu! No Turk!"

(Kabir)

Thank you.

Volker



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Hmm...That certainly is a great deal of research.

I'm just not quite sure what it is supposed to mean, other than:

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Every being is part of god, because these spiritual ‘things’ have no location and no time; god is not a remote idea, it is a realizing individual consciousness, not grasp by the mind.
Which, as I read it, means that the essence of godliness is the individual mind? Do I get it?
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New Age. *sigh*
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Volker: "Every being is part of god, because these spiritual ‘things’ have no location and no time; god is not a remote idea, it is a realizing individual consciousness, not grasp by the mind."

Which, as I read it, means that the essence of godliness is the individual mind? [/B]
No. The mind is a bad bio-memory. That, what is meant here is the immaterial soul of the individual. One can show the neurons of the brain, but no one is able to show physical, that, what is ethical respected in the individual, if it is ethical respected. To respect a woman for example and her holiness. Exact this is not the individual physical mind. If there would no holiness in a being, then each human would scientifically only be dog food. The argumentation deals with, 'Why is a being more holy than dog food?' What exactly is hurt, if a being perceives violation on his soul from spiritual crime? If all this would have no relevance, than we all could stop our discussions. Who can show who he is? As reality. Not as illusion of the mind. No one. It is not to be shown, it is only to be recognized.

Religions have never respected this holiness in the individual, what is a part of god. Everyone has the right to be free from those claims from the authorities from the religions. That's what I wrote on. God is only a word.

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Volker,

You really need to get a life...

Come on now, out of the basement, into the sunshine, and trade that computer in for a road bike...
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You really need to get a life...

Come on now, out of the basement, into the sunshine, and trade that computer in for a road bike...
The crime of the religions are one point. Seems that no one is interested in that stuff. An other point is light, sunshine, music and biking. Please note my investigations on this from the URL doormann.tripod.com/vobi23e.htm.

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Oh. You're a theist. Nevermind.
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Oh. You're a theist. Nevermind.
No, I'm nothing. If one has no knowledge, he puts a label on his brain. American, Hindu, Christ, Brahman, Democrat, Catholic, stud grad, Buddhist, Gnostic, Agnostic, Pagan, German, Scientist, God, last prophet, Jew, Moslem, Infidel or Skeptic. But it all means nothing and it proves nothing. Only he, who is nothing may be free from the vanity of the mind to believe in phantoms and idles. To put a label on the brain is easy, and you get a lot of false friends who also have no knowledge, but labels on the brain.

What is real? Who knows, what is real? Knowledge is to know, what is real, and this is not to be done with labels on the brain.
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And what's so bad about labels, may I ask?
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No, I'm nothing. If one has no knowledge, he puts a label on his brain. American, Hindu, Christ, Brahman, Democrat, Catholic, stud grad, Buddhist, Gnostic, Agnostic, Pagan, German, Scientist, God, last prophet, Jew, Moslem, Infidel or Skeptic. But it all means nothing and it proves nothing. Only he, who is nothing may be free from the vanity of the mind to believe in phantoms and idles. To put a label on the brain is easy, and you get a lot of false friends who also have no knowledge, but labels on the brain.

What is real? Who knows, what is real? Knowledge is to know, what is real, and this is not to be done with labels on the brain.
Hmm...I'd say that there are ignorant people who hide behind titles, yes. But at the same time, they are useful tools for stating your ideas succiently.

As you believe in a god, for example, you must be a theist. That can't be denied, it's what the word mean.
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