Freethought & Rationalism Archive

WinAce · 06-25-2003, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Ok, all you SCIENCE GEEKS.... (must be registered to view Apologetics forum)

....let me have it! Here is the newest content on my website:

http://www.geocities.com/rebornempowered/thesun.htm

I use the Bible to prove that our Sun is not a star and discuss the ramifications if it is true.

Interested in comments, dissenting views FROM THE BIBLE, etc.

After a few rebuttals:

Quote:

Thanks for the reply. In answer of your points:

1. You don't see how quoting the Bible proves anything? Hmm...well, I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and every jot and tittle is there for a reason.

2. Yes, the Bible IS a science book. It is full of science, and I recommend you listen to the teaching by Chuck Missler titled "In the Beginning there was Information" and "Stretching the Heavens and the Dilation of Time", as well as "The Study of the Solar System". http://store.khouse.org/store/catal...date/to=nr.html

3. If the Sun is not a star, then the qualities of our Sun do not apply to stars. Assumptions about other stars being like our Sun, inherent in the Big Bang theory, are thus faulty.

In closing, I ask you to answer a question for me. What do you do with the following verse, the words of Jesus Christ himself:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

This verse tells us two different prophetic destinies for the Sun and stars. it says:
1. the Sun will be darkened, and
2. the stars will fall from the heaven

Since the sun is a star, is it going to also fall from heaven? The verse doesn't say that. Further proof of the sun and stars having different destinies is the following verse is Psalm, which tells us the Sun will be around forever:

Psa 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun:

We also read in Revelation the Sun is present but is not necessary due to the brightness of the Son of God. But Jesus tells us the stars will fall from heaven.

Please reconcile the two different prophetic destinies of the Sun and stars as laid out above according to the words of Jesus.

After yet another:

Quote:

No I didn't know any of what you stated. I'm not a scientist. But, if stars are binary, and our Sun is not binary, doesn't that lend more evidence to the notion that the Sun is not a star? Or are you suggesting that our Sun has a darker binary somewhere that we haven't discovered yet?

I stick to my stated goal: to prove using only the Bible that the Sun is not a star. Can you answer the question I posed to m1a1 in my reply above about Matthew 24:29? What about the creation story where it says God created the Sun, then "he made the stars also"?

I don't know what to say. This is the most surreal post I've read in a while.

Duvenoy · 06-25-2003, 12:34 PM

I fear for the future of my species.

doov

Mageth · 06-25-2003, 12:35 PM

Idiots among us.

I stick to my stated goal: to prove using only the Bible that the Sun is not a star.

What the bible proves is that the bible is not a reliable source for science.

Spaz · 06-25-2003, 01:03 PM

IQ dropping...

Albion · 06-25-2003, 01:10 PM

Oh good, so when another creationist comes along with the statement that the Bible is accurate on science, we can tell him that the Bible clearly states that the Sun is not a star, and how does he feel about that? Should be entertaining.

emotional · 06-25-2003, 01:33 PM

Let him keep on like this, and he'll be saying the Bible proves the Earth is not round!

MrDarwin · 06-25-2003, 01:36 PM

Of course he's overlooking that most people living today--and quite likely during biblical times as well--commonly classify "the sun" and "stars" as different things. When anybody says "sun" you know what they mean: that big bright thing in the sky during the day; and when they say "stars" you also know what they mean: those little twinkly things in the sky at night.

This is something like the "bats are birds" conundrum in reverse. In that case they argue that the Bible is not scientifically inaccurate in calling bats "birds" because the original word refers to pretty much anything that flies (although I'm not aware of anybody nowadays who considers bats to be a kind of bird).

Roland98 · 06-25-2003, 01:44 PM

Of course it's not a star. It's a furnace. I have proof too:

Quote:

The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
A gigantic nuclear furnace
Where Hydrogen is built into Helium
At a temperature of millions of degrees

Jobar · 06-25-2003, 03:34 PM

Amazing, the structural strength of the human skull. Otherwise his head would implode.

Jimmy Higgins · 06-25-2003, 07:30 PM

Well actually, the First Story of Creation would have the sun and moon as actual gods or some sort of deities. The verse claims that the sun and moon will have dominion over day and night. How does an inanimate object have dominion over anything.

So the guy is right. The sun isn't a star, according to the bible, its a god who just happens to look like a star.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

06-25-2003, 12:34 PM	#2
Duvenoy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Just another hick from the sticks. Posts: 1,108	I fear for the future of my species. doov

06-25-2003, 12:35 PM	#3
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Idiots among us. I stick to my stated goal: to prove using only the Bible that the Sun is not a star. What the bible proves is that the bible is not a reliable source for science.

06-25-2003, 01:03 PM	#4
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	IQ dropping...

06-25-2003, 01:10 PM	#5
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Oh good, so when another creationist comes along with the statement that the Bible is accurate on science, we can tell him that the Bible clearly states that the Sun is not a star, and how does he feel about that? Should be entertaining.

06-25-2003, 01:33 PM	#6
emotional Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Boxing ring of HaShem, Jesus and Allah Posts: 1,945	Let him keep on like this, and he'll be saying the Bible proves the Earth is not round!

06-25-2003, 01:36 PM	#7
MrDarwin Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,140	Of course he's overlooking that most people living today--and quite likely during biblical times as well--commonly classify "the sun" and "stars" as different things. When anybody says "sun" you know what they mean: that big bright thing in the sky during the day; and when they say "stars" you also know what they mean: those little twinkly things in the sky at night. This is something like the "bats are birds" conundrum in reverse. In that case they argue that the Bible is not scientifically inaccurate in calling bats "birds" because the original word refers to pretty much anything that flies (although I'm not aware of anybody nowadays who considers bats to be a kind of bird).

06-25-2003, 03:34 PM	#9
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Amazing, the structural strength of the human skull. Otherwise his head would implode.

06-25-2003, 07:30 PM	#10
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	Well actually, the First Story of Creation would have the sun and moon as actual gods or some sort of deities. The verse claims that the sun and moon will have dominion over day and night. How does an inanimate object have dominion over anything. So the guy is right. The sun isn't a star, according to the bible, its a god who just happens to look like a star.

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.