RJS

Believing that the wage of sin is death (death in an eternal context, btw) and believing one should kill members of a different race, religion, or nationality are fundamentally different. For you to link the two is disingenuous.

Of course you probably believe that the bible quotations of "the wage of sin death" and "thou shall not murder" are a contradiction as reason to throw out the faith.

K

RJS:

If God tells you that you deserve death because of your sins and Allah tells another person that you deserve death because of your sins, how in the world can you be shocked when he tries to kill you?

RJS

Never said I was shocked.

K

I think that is the main reason why people are saying that her thinking is like the terrorists. She believes we deserve death. They believe we deserve death. Theism makes it unshocking when people take over passenger jets and crash them into buildings full of civilians.

Wyz_sub10

Can only speak for myself, but I will say that "Thou Shalt not Kill" (murder, if you will) and about 100 references to god endorsing murder, genocide and the slaughter of innocents is enough contradictions without having to see them where they don't exist.

Off topic, but I just wanted to comment on that.

RJS

Just for the record - for one to be shocked that Muslim extremists want to kill US citizens, they would have to live in a cave with no access to the media.

Not being shocked is not the same as endorsing the activity.

K

RJS:

It's not shocking at all that religious extremists did this. But it is pretty obvious to me that endorsing ideas like we deserve death because of our sins leads to just the type of crazy behavior demonstrated by the terrorists.

Here's a question for you. If God told you to fly a plane into a skyscraper, would you do it? If so, why are you any different than the terrorists? If not, why not?

simian

And for the record, I am not surprised when Christian extremists want to kill US citezens.

Granted, so far the Christian extremists murder only one or a few at a time, but murder they do.

Please note I am not saying all Christians do this, but some do, and only the barest fraction of Christians will speak out against such violence.

I see extremist Christianity in the US as no different from extremist Islam in the mid-east. The justification is exactly the same: god said to do it.

Simian

RJS

He has already told us not to, so I can't see that happening. If I "really" felt He was saying that, I would likely convince myself I was losing my mind, and would seek counseling.

Jamie_L

Actually, Simian, you expressed something I was thinking yesterday afternoon after hearing similar thoughts about life and death from an unrelated source.

My parents gave me life. For that I am thankful. If my father later decides to kill me, should I accept it, being thankful that he let me live as long as he did?

This line of thinking just never made much sense to me.

Jamie