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Old 07-28-2003, 12:32 PM   #81
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You can't have it both ways Sophist, err...I mean Sophie. Either your god is the interventionist god of the the bible or not. Did you invent this non-interventionist god yourself? Because that is not what baptists, catholics, protestants, Jdubs, lutherans, AOG, CS, mormons, etc. etc. teach.
Gee there are lots lots of them now, yeh. I though it all began from one, yeh. Jesus Christ, yeh, yeh. Praise the Lord, yeh. Go out and multiply, yeh.

The last time I heard about omniGOD intervening, was when omniGOD passed messages to some fella named Muhammed, who subsequently was so moved, he freed his slaves. Wuss he one of those mentioned?

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The christian god is an interventionist, the god you mention sounds like some new-age-amorphous-non-committal-galactic-wuss.
I did'nt invent omniGOD, the philosophers did. Ask them, they will answer, yeh, we did, yeh, then try to fudge an argument, yeh, obfuscate it in logic, yeh, wrap it in waterproof grease, yeh, then mock you after. yeh yeh.
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I lost you a few pages back when you said that the child's cancer was caused by immorality messing up her genetic code and causing a tumour.
good. yeh.
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So, are you going to actually respond?

Is your non-interventionist god different from the interventionist god of the bible?

If so, how?

If not, what religion markets this particular brand of god product?
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So, are you going to actually respond?
I did, but I guess I must respond again. Did you manage to check with the professional philosophers as yet?

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Is your non-interventionist god different from the interventionist god of the bible?
I guess by comparision there seem to be some difference between, non-interventionist, and interventionist?

But if I were to offer up some information, the omniGOD, is the combination of all possibilities. Philosophers may have a difficult time contradicting this omniGOD, seeing they invented omniGOD.

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... what religion markets this particular brand of god product?
none I hope, yeh.
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The appeal was to all those children found in life neglected by their parents. I am appealing to your good sense. yeh. There is a sort of ad hominemISHness in your good sense, yeh. I live in downtown Montral, yeh. I see them all the time, yeh. They walk around with needles in the hands, yeh. Some wanna do fellatio for 2 bucks, yeh. yeh, yeh. I suppose it was omniGOD who neglected them, yeh.
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I wonder very much which "professional philosphers" you favour. Do take a look at Impostures Intellectuelles as I recommended.
 
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I did, but I guess I must respond again
I meant respond with something legible.

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Did you manage to check with the professional philosophers as yet?
All my life, thanks for asking.

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I guess by comparision there seem to be some difference between, non-interventionist, and interventionist?
Yep.

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But if I were to offer up some information,
Heh! You do have a sense of humor despite all appearances to the contrary. Or at least a sense of irony...

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the omniGOD, is the combination of all possibilities. Philosophers may have a difficult time contradicting this omniGOD, seeing they invented omniGOD.
So, you are telling me that I need to check your god-product against the god-product of god-product peddling philosophers?

Can you not see the problem?
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Sophie: WTF are you on?
I am on the road most of the time, trying hard not to cover my eyes, from seeing the mess humans(questionable) have made of this Earth.
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I wonder very much which "professional philosphers" you favour. Do take a look at Impostures Intellectuelles as I recommended.
Nope I am too busy trying to construct a rational algorithm which allows US humans to avoid sequential thinking, you know the ABSOLUTE (cause and effect) in concluding mechanisms found in the brain. Not a trifling task, but I am thinking of asking the professional philosophers for compound help.

Mabye one day I will be able to read that stuff. Right now I am working in my very little spare time on a synopsis of Marvin Minsky's Emotional Machine. You can see that here http://www.notrich.org/AI/EMOTIONmachine/CHAPTER5.html if you like.
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Would their passing have alleviated their suffering. (sic)
I would limit the duration. If die a child must for whatever ineffable plan, it need not prove so prolonged unless it is a pretty Incompetent or Evil plan.

This, however, does not happen.

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You cannot be sure if [deity--Ed.] did not intervene and the gentle fun loving girl child was saved of further pain.
On the contrary, I am quite sure most with some spark of empathy would recognize that when the child can no longer communicate save through moving her eyes she had suffered quite an extensive amount of pain and suffering.

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Last night I read of a super nova exploding to litter our universe, . . .
A non sequitur acting as an argumentum veritatem obfuscandam.

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. . . who did not wish free will in the face of having pain replaced.
Since the child never had "free will" with respect to the development of her predicament, this point proves irrelevant.

More non sequitur follows. . . . Incidentally, 4 does not follow from 1-3 and, therefore, is not a conclusion.

There remain Five Possible reasons for failure of intervention in such a case of severe and prolongued suffering:

1. No gods exist.
2. A god exists and he is evil.
3. A god exists and he is incompetent.
4. A god exists and he is irrelevant.
5. Some combination of 2-4.

--J.D.
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