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Totalitarianist · 03-28-2003, 01:22 PM

What is your opinion of it?

diana · 03-28-2003, 10:58 PM

I'd be happy to give you my opinion if I had a clue what you're talking about.

d

Psychic · 03-29-2003, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by diana
I'd be happy to give you my opinion if I had a clue what you're talking about.

d

I wish I was a mod liked you, I would 've nailed the guy.
man how much effort would it take to atleast give us a link?
a hint?
a clue?

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Jobar · 03-29-2003, 06:24 AM

Totalitarianist, you should check out this thread on personal experience as evidence of God. Is that what you are asking about? Some do claim to experience God personally, directly, without the guidance of priests or the reading of scriptures.

Of course, some people also claim that God tells them to attack prostitutes with a hammer. Just ask Boro Nut.

Wyz_sub10 · 03-29-2003, 04:03 PM

I think he means people who claim they have spoken to god as a proof of his existence. ("I know he exists because he has spoken to me.")

There are a few people on this board who do claim to have spoken to or received messages from god.

Psychic · 03-29-2003, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by Wyz_sub10
There are a few people on this board who do claim to have spoken to or received messages from god.

WOW!!

Joan of arc stikes back

show them to me wyz, just give me a name.

:notworthy

ex-xian · 03-29-2003, 10:49 PM

I have personal contact with the Lord every day...

(Caution, Douglas Adams reference ahead)

...of course the Lord is the name of my cat.

Dr. Retard · 03-30-2003, 04:39 AM

Knowing Totalitarianist, he probably means the argument that God exists because Stalin is God.

Eudaimonist · 03-30-2003, 08:03 AM

Serious answer:

I'd ask why what the experience was, and why one should interpret that as persuasive evidence of God, anymore than I should interpret an experience of falling in love as persuasive evidence of Cupid.

Ojuice5001 · 03-30-2003, 09:51 AM

Eudaimonist,

Most people who fall in love don't experience a supernatural presence outside themselves that made them fall in love. The experience just seems to be one of themselves and the person they're in love with. I would say that falling in love isn't evidence for Cupid (in this context) because no one describes it as evidence for Cupid.

In the minority who do experience such a presence, I would say that yes, that is evidence for Cupid. (Of course, I believe that Cupid, Venus, Jove and the rest exist, and cause people to fall in love on a regular basis.)

I would say that experiences of the gods should be treated as experiences of something outside the self because that's part of the content of the experience. When you see a flash of light, you assume the cause is outside yourself until proven otherwise. Why? Because that's the kind of experience a flash of light is. It's the same way with experiences of the gods--they are also the kind of experience that draws your attention to something other than yourself.

03-28-2003, 01:22 PM	#1
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03-28-2003, 10:58 PM	#2
diana Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 6,471	I'd be happy to give you my opinion if I had a clue what you're talking about. d

03-29-2003, 06:24 AM	#4
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Totalitarianist, you should check out this thread on personal experience as evidence of God. Is that what you are asking about? Some do claim to experience God personally, directly, without the guidance of priests or the reading of scriptures. Of course, some people also claim that God tells them to attack prostitutes with a hammer. Just ask Boro Nut.

03-29-2003, 04:03 PM	#5
Wyz_sub10 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the land of two boys and no sleep. Posts: 9,890	I think he means people who claim they have spoken to god as a proof of his existence. ("I know he exists because he has spoken to me.") There are a few people on this board who do claim to have spoken to or received messages from god.

03-29-2003, 10:49 PM	#7
ex-xian Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 4,679	I have personal contact with the Lord every day... (Caution, Douglas Adams reference ahead) ...of course the Lord is the name of my cat.

03-30-2003, 04:39 AM	#8
Dr. Retard Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona, USA Posts: 735	Knowing Totalitarianist, he probably means the argument that God exists because Stalin is God.

03-30-2003, 08:03 AM	#9
Eudaimonist Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sundsvall, Sweden Posts: 3,159	Serious answer: I'd ask why what the experience was, and why one should interpret that as persuasive evidence of God, anymore than I should interpret an experience of falling in love as persuasive evidence of Cupid.

03-30-2003, 09:51 AM	#10
Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	Eudaimonist, Most people who fall in love don't experience a supernatural presence outside themselves that made them fall in love. The experience just seems to be one of themselves and the person they're in love with. I would say that falling in love isn't evidence for Cupid (in this context) because no one describes it as evidence for Cupid. In the minority who do experience such a presence, I would say that yes, that is evidence for Cupid. (Of course, I believe that Cupid, Venus, Jove and the rest exist, and cause people to fall in love on a regular basis.) I would say that experiences of the gods should be treated as experiences of something outside the self because that's part of the content of the experience. When you see a flash of light, you assume the cause is outside yourself until proven otherwise. Why? Because that's the kind of experience a flash of light is. It's the same way with experiences of the gods--they are also the kind of experience that draws your attention to something other than yourself.

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