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ohmessylife · 08-20-2002, 06:33 PM

okay, i just recently signed up here. i'm not sure what took me so long.

i have a lot of questions regarding the debunking of creationist theory but i don't want to rehash stuff that has probably already been asked a 100 times.

so can you recommend some good resources online. preferably ones that have q and a's or faqs?

i've been to talkorigins and it's a wonderful site but i want to see what else is out there...

also, what is ID?

thanks and take care,
benny

Doubting Didymus · 08-20-2002, 06:53 PM

Talkorigins is definitely the most comprehensive of the sites you request. You almost certainly will not find a better site that deals with a broad range of subjects.

However, there are many good sites that are specific to a particular topic, so if you have specific questions just tell us what they are, and we will see what we can come up with. For example, I know of an excellent site that debunks Micheal Behe's ID theory, by showing how a mousetrap (behes favourite design analogy) could be built up in small increments.

Actually, I got that site from the talkorigins incredibly large links page. So you might want to have a look there for other things you want to research.

As I mentioned above, ID stand for Intelligent Design theory. It is a comparitively sophisticated breed of creationism that cloaks itself in unneccesary scientific jargon. Be well prepared for good sounding vagueries and difficult logic if you plan to delve into this area.

Albion · 08-20-2002, 07:35 PM

This site is pretty useful

<a href="http://www.asa3.org/" target="_blank">http://www.asa3.org/</a>

because creationists can't just shrug it off as a nasty atheist plot.

KnightWhoSaysNi · 08-20-2002, 07:49 PM

Here's a great site:

<a href="http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html" target="_blank">http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html</a>

The portion on evidence for great ape/human common ancestry is really good. Great creationist stumping stuff.

We frequently use the chimp/human chromosome fusion evidence to challenge new creationists who come here.

Quetzal · 08-21-2002, 01:37 AM

A couple of other general evo-cre references:

<a href="http://www.answersinscience.org" target="_blank">Answers in Science</a>

<a href="http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/default.htm" target="_blank">No Answers in Genesis</a>

scigirl · 08-21-2002, 05:27 PM

Hello benny, and welcome to infidels!

You can introduce yourself here at the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=43&SUBMIT=Go" target="_blank">Welcome Forum</a> if you so desire.

scigirl

Dr.GH · 08-21-2002, 08:09 PM

Howdy, one or two I also like are:

<a href="http://nsmserver2.fullerton.edu/departments/chemistry/evolution_creation/web/#24." target="_blank">Cal State Fullerton course on evo/creato</a>

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Tim_J_Thompson/faqs.html" target="_blank">Tim Thompson's web page</a>

<a href="http://home.att.net/~troybritain/" target="_blank">Troy Britain's Darwin pages</a>

OK so I can't count.
OK so I messed a URL

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Dr.GH ]</p>

Richiyaado · 08-21-2002, 08:50 PM

I like Troy Britain's site�didn't know about it. One thing, though. His ID cartoon would be better if the blackboard was completely blank.

It's like this:

What follows is a complete list of arguments for ID:

08-20-2002, 06:33 PM	#1
ohmessylife New Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: portland, or Posts: 3	beginnings okay, i just recently signed up here. i'm not sure what took me so long. i have a lot of questions regarding the debunking of creationist theory but i don't want to rehash stuff that has probably already been asked a 100 times. so can you recommend some good resources online. preferably ones that have q and a's or faqs? i've been to talkorigins and it's a wonderful site but i want to see what else is out there... also, what is ID? thanks and take care, benny

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08-20-2002, 06:53 PM	#2
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Talkorigins is definitely the most comprehensive of the sites you request. You almost certainly will not find a better site that deals with a broad range of subjects. However, there are many good sites that are specific to a particular topic, so if you have specific questions just tell us what they are, and we will see what we can come up with. For example, I know of an excellent site that debunks Micheal Behe's ID theory, by showing how a mousetrap (behes favourite design analogy) could be built up in small increments. Actually, I got that site from the talkorigins incredibly large links page. So you might want to have a look there for other things you want to research. As I mentioned above, ID stand for Intelligent Design theory. It is a comparitively sophisticated breed of creationism that cloaks itself in unneccesary scientific jargon. Be well prepared for good sounding vagueries and difficult logic if you plan to delve into this area.

08-20-2002, 07:35 PM	#3
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	This site is pretty useful <a href="http://www.asa3.org/" target="_blank">http://www.asa3.org/</a> because creationists can't just shrug it off as a nasty atheist plot.

08-20-2002, 07:49 PM	#4
KnightWhoSaysNi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 2,767	Here's a great site: <a href="http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html" target="_blank">http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html</a> The portion on evidence for great ape/human common ancestry is really good. Great creationist stumping stuff. We frequently use the chimp/human chromosome fusion evidence to challenge new creationists who come here.

08-21-2002, 01:37 AM	#5
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	A couple of other general evo-cre references: <a href="http://www.answersinscience.org" target="_blank">Answers in Science</a> <a href="http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/default.htm" target="_blank">No Answers in Genesis</a>

08-21-2002, 05:27 PM	#6
scigirl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,261	Hello benny, and welcome to infidels! You can introduce yourself here at the <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=43&SUBMIT=Go" target="_blank">Welcome Forum</a> if you so desire. scigirl

08-21-2002, 08:09 PM	#7
Dr.GH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Point, Ca, USA Posts: 2,115	Howdy, one or two I also like are: <a href="http://nsmserver2.fullerton.edu/departments/chemistry/evolution_creation/web/#24." target="_blank">Cal State Fullerton course on evo/creato</a> <a href="http://www.geocities.com/Tim_J_Thompson/faqs.html" target="_blank">Tim Thompson's web page</a> <a href="http://home.att.net/~troybritain/" target="_blank">Troy Britain's Darwin pages</a> OK so I can't count. OK so I messed a URL [ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Dr.GH ]</p>

08-21-2002, 08:50 PM	#8
Richiyaado Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 172	I like Troy Britain's site�didn't know about it. One thing, though. His ID cartoon would be better if the blackboard was completely blank. It's like this: What follows is a complete list of arguments for ID:

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