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Quatermass · 06-27-2002, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Jerry Falwell - CNN Talk Back Live
I -- in one way I'm sort of glad for this ruling because it does defray (ph) the left as to where they're coming from. They really have not only a desire or neutrality as it relates to God and the public square, but they are filled with hostility towards people of faith, and whether it's Christians, Jews ...

Quatermass · 06-27-2002, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Nikolai:
I hope I dont sound ignorant, but what does blackballed mean?
It means to exclude somebody from a group or profession. Senator Byrd clarifies below...

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Sen. Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia, CNN
"That judge who shouldn't be a judge in my opinion ... let me say this, that I hope his name doesn't come before this body for any promotion. He will be remembered. He will be remembered ... I hope the Senate will waste no time in throwing this back in the face of this stupid judge. Stupid. That's what he is, stupid."

Quatermass · 06-27-2002, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Jerry Falwell
This is probably the most dangerous ruling of any Federal Court in American history because it is a declaration that America is no longer "one nation under God".

Arrowman · 06-27-2002, 09:53 PM

Jerry Falwell: This is probably the most dangerous ruling of any Federal Court in American history because it is a declaration that America is no longer "one nation under God".

Pretty powerless God, apparently, that he loses all power and influence over an entire nation because some silly little group of humans voted him out of a pledge. Must be those iron wheels on the chariots they're riding....

RufusAtticus · 06-27-2002, 09:53 PM

Exactly, it clarifies that we are "one nation, indivisible!"

~~RvFvS~~

Autonemesis · 06-27-2002, 09:57 PM

Beige Davis gets the "Oooo, I'm scared" award for most bland condemnation.

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California Gov. Gray Davis said he was "extremely disappointed." He called the Pledge of Allegiance "one of our most profound human expressions of American patriotism."

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[ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: Kind Bud ]

Arrowman · 06-27-2002, 10:42 PM

Just for variation, I'd like to throw in a more reasoned reaction from "Eric B" as posted on the Baptist Board:

I don't know why we even worry about this. The majority of people in this country are not even saved, and their use of God's name means little, except to keep everyone thinking we're good and religious without even repenting or really thinking about what God's will for our lives is. (And to keep Christians thinking that we've created this great kingdom of God on earth). Like Michael Horton (Alliance of Confessing evangelicals) says, we spend too much time pushing for an "amorphous American deity", and that's precisely what that reference to Vishnu and Zeus is talking about. If anything, it looks like this country is being stripped of its superficial spirituality, and this is something people who really want to see God's name truly hallowed should applaud.

My disagreement with his religious beliefs aside, obviously, I think he makes perfect sense from a Christian perspective. I paticularly like the last sentence.

I hope more Christians will come to realise that.

Buffman · 06-27-2002, 11:03 PM

Jerry Falwell: This is probably the most dangerous ruling of any Federal Court in American history because it is a declaration that America is no longer "one nation under God".

So tell me "Jerry!" Are you admitting that America was a secular nation until 1954? If so, then you better rethink your claims about what our Framing Fathers intended and a few of you radical religious members of the Christian Taliban have prostituted to increase their own bank accounts.

Quatermass · 06-27-2002, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Pat Robertson
The court should realize that if something much more terrible than September 11th befalls our beloved nation, the answer to the question "Where was God in all of this (?)" may well be "He was excluded by the 9th Circuit."

Thor Q. Mada · 06-28-2002, 12:39 AM

And in all this everybody forgets that the change to the pledge was made in 54, in a climate of fear when nobody would have dare protesting this "add-on" for fear of finding himself in front of a rogatory commission under suspicion of communist and anti-American activities!!

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06-27-2002, 09:53 PM	#14
Arrowman Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,358	Jerry Falwell: This is probably the most dangerous ruling of any Federal Court in American history because it is a declaration that America is no longer "one nation under God". Pretty powerless God, apparently, that he loses all power and influence over an entire nation because some silly little group of humans voted him out of a pledge. Must be those iron wheels on the chariots they're riding....

06-27-2002, 09:53 PM	#15
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Exactly, it clarifies that we are "one nation, indivisible!" ~~RvFvS~~

06-27-2002, 10:42 PM	#17
Arrowman Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,358	Just for variation, I'd like to throw in a more reasoned reaction from "Eric B" as posted on the Baptist Board: I don't know why we even worry about this. The majority of people in this country are not even saved, and their use of God's name means little, except to keep everyone thinking we're good and religious without even repenting or really thinking about what God's will for our lives is. (And to keep Christians thinking that we've created this great kingdom of God on earth). Like Michael Horton (Alliance of Confessing evangelicals) says, we spend too much time pushing for an "amorphous American deity", and that's precisely what that reference to Vishnu and Zeus is talking about. If anything, it looks like this country is being stripped of its superficial spirituality, and this is something people who really want to see God's name truly hallowed should applaud. My disagreement with his religious beliefs aside, obviously, I think he makes perfect sense from a Christian perspective. I paticularly like the last sentence. I hope more Christians will come to realise that.

06-27-2002, 11:03 PM	#18
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	Jerry Falwell: This is probably the most dangerous ruling of any Federal Court in American history because it is a declaration that America is no longer "one nation under God". So tell me "Jerry!" Are you admitting that America was a secular nation until 1954? If so, then you better rethink your claims about what our Framing Fathers intended and a few of you radical religious members of the Christian Taliban have prostituted to increase their own bank accounts.

06-28-2002, 12:39 AM	#20
Thor Q. Mada Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Asia Posts: 3,558	And in all this everybody forgets that the change to the pledge was made in 54, in a climate of fear when nobody would have dare protesting this "add-on" for fear of finding himself in front of a rogatory commission under suspicion of communist and anti-American activities!!

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